PL1
Senior Member
Yonge and Eg, Coxwell and O'Connor, and Danforth/Greenwood did not. But I should mention that someone did shoplift from Danforth and Greenwood while I was there (Sunday). The other two, had security guards.
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afransen
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I also observed duty officers working security at LCBO, in suburban Mississauga.
AlbertC
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Beer Store announces new round of closures as government commitment ends | Globalnews.ca
On Monday, the Beer Store confirmed it would close four more outlets in March, axing locations in Brampton, Toronto, Hamilton and London.
globalnews.ca
The latest round of Beer Stores to close on March 22 are:
- Brampton, 11 Worthington Ave., Brampton, ON, L7A 2Y7
- Etobicoke, 1735 Kipling Ave., Etobicoke, ON, M9R 2Y8
- Hamilton, 75 Centennial Parkway N., Hamilton, ON, L8E 2P2
- London, 1727 Richmond St., London, ON, N5X 3Y2
EBT
Active Member
TORONTO STAR: The Beer Store and Ontario kept more than $60 million in container deposits last year, as fewer and fewer empties get returned
Environmental critic says shuttering more than 120 Beer Stores last year made it more difficult for consumers to return empties.
https://archive.ph/QMiFe#selection-3787.26-3797.128
It seems likes shutting down Beer Store locations is lucrative business strategy for the international conglomerate that owns the Beer Store.
Just yesterday in a project thread I mentioned the importance of downtown beer store locations for consumers (and those living on the edge) to return empties. Today this issue is front page news in the Toronto Star https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...-6m-7s-stafford-raw-design.26559/post-2388594
Environmental critic says shuttering more than 120 Beer Stores last year made it more difficult for consumers to return empties.
https://archive.ph/QMiFe#selection-3787.26-3797.128
It seems likes shutting down Beer Store locations is lucrative business strategy for the international conglomerate that owns the Beer Store.
Just yesterday in a project thread I mentioned the importance of downtown beer store locations for consumers (and those living on the edge) to return empties. Today this issue is front page news in the Toronto Star https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...-6m-7s-stafford-raw-design.26559/post-2388594
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Inflation is just making the value of returns near nothing anyway. I run my empties about twice a year for my household after storing them into my garage until I basically don't have space for them any more and get like $10-$15 in returns.. It's barely worth it.
I literally don't go to the Beer Store otherwise these days either - Costo has far better prices for the limited amount of bulk, brand name beer I do drink. If it were up to me I would just roll back the 2007 changes to alcohol deposits and return to just beer bottles having deposits and being returnable.
I literally don't go to the Beer Store otherwise these days either - Costo has far better prices for the limited amount of bulk, brand name beer I do drink. If it were up to me I would just roll back the 2007 changes to alcohol deposits and return to just beer bottles having deposits and being returnable.
Interesting bit from that article. So how do we make bulk returns feasible for these large entities?
Northern Light
Superstar
Provided, as suggested here, the containers are being recycled, there really is no imperative to 'return them', only to be recycled.
In fact, the extra step would be environmentally detrimental.
The point of the return system, in theory, was first, to promote re-use (glass bottles) which are an ever shrinking part of the mix.
The secondary point was to give greater assurance that people were bothering to sort their stuff.
The reality is that the impediment to sorting are primarily older apartment buildings that do not have waste sorting chutes, and require people to sort in unit, then trek down to the building bins and throw stuff in.....
This results both in high non-compliance (no savings to the tenant for being diligent); just extra work.
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The greater investment to encourage sorting is retrofitting older buildings in one fashion or another, having sorting carried out at municipal facilities.
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As @innsertnamehere notes above........if one does wish to promote a return system, the financial incentives are simply too low. The prices set have been in effect since the very beginning of the program, decades ago.
.10c a can and .20c for liquor/wine is not a motivating number for most.
.25c a can and .50c for liquor/wine would yield a better result.
I guess the incentive could be the $60 million. Where I am, circular materials will not pick up alcohol containers of any type for recycling. They actually pick them out of the blue bin and leave them aside.
I also liked to remember the order of the three Rs. Reduce, reuse, recycle. So I don’t personally like to go to recycle as the first option.
I also liked to remember the order of the three Rs. Reduce, reuse, recycle. So I don’t personally like to go to recycle as the first option.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
For glass beer bottles, they actually fall into the "reuse" category of the three Rs.
But very few people buy bottles these days - other than beers like Corona which are basically only sold in that container type, I barely know anyone under the age of 60 who regularly buys beer in bottles instead of cans.
To me I'd be fine with eliminating deposits for aluminum cans at a minimum and perhaps increasing deposit values to $0.20-$0.25/bottle for bottles.
My understanding is that alcohol bottles (i.e. wine bottles) tend to be recycled, not reused, as well, so should probably also see deposits removed. Like aluminum beer cans, they can just go directly in the recycling bin.
But very few people buy bottles these days - other than beers like Corona which are basically only sold in that container type, I barely know anyone under the age of 60 who regularly buys beer in bottles instead of cans.
To me I'd be fine with eliminating deposits for aluminum cans at a minimum and perhaps increasing deposit values to $0.20-$0.25/bottle for bottles.
My understanding is that alcohol bottles (i.e. wine bottles) tend to be recycled, not reused, as well, so should probably also see deposits removed. Like aluminum beer cans, they can just go directly in the recycling bin.
True. I am forgetting the over abundance of cans, not being much of a beer drinker. I prefer my tippling to be dry, red,, and come in bottles.
Monarch Butterfly
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gabe
Senior Member
Removing deposits would just add more waste to the landfill. Cans bottles..etc can easily get contaminated in the recycling bin. Better option would be higher deposits and more recycling centers. Just like the rest of Canada and the modern world. Allow cash back and cashless for those don't want to carry cash.
Jonny5
Senior Member
In case anyone hasn't been there in recent times, MLSE uses aluminum cups for alcoholic beverages now (Leafs, Raptors, Marlies, TFC, Argos), so your beer is poured into that, and you don't get the can at all if you buy at a concession, though I think you still get the can if you purchase in the stands, but in either case, the cans are sorted by staff at time of purchase at the concessions and the aluminum cups are easily picked out from the waste disposal on the concourse via the waste disposal contractor.
lenaitch
Senior Member
You do realize they wash the bottles, right?
Northern Light
Superstar
I'm a wine person myself; important then to note, wine bottles are not re-used in the Ontario program. None are saved, they are just crushed and recycled.
Re-use would require extensive standardization of bottles, so a central washing/sterilization facility could clean them up cost efficiently, then re-sell at a discount (vs new) to the wineries.
No such effort has ever been made.