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I only hope the Ontario government stops making nice now. The conciliatory approach that Mcguinty tried is the wrong way, with these curt PC feds.

This Flaherty guy is the schoolyard bully that will someday meet his match, and I hope Mcguinty & Co. are the ones who can deliver the knockout punch to him. Heh heh, let's call on George Smitherman -- I tell you there's a pit bull in hiding, there behind a civilized exterior.

Editorial comment from TonyV: we in Ontario "make nice" way too much, pass out a whole bunch of bucks to the "have nots" and then we get this from the federal Finance Minister, whose behaviour is most unstatesmanlike to say the least. Let's hope Ontarians see the light--Flaherty is really just Mike Harris all over again and he needs to be sent to the trashheap of history.
 
McGuinty defends budget choices
Mar 26, 2008 11:33 AM
RICHARD BRENNAN
OTTAWA BUREAU
OTTAWA – Queen’s Park is not about to take dictation from the Prime Minister’s office when it comes to running Ontario, Premier Dalton McGuinty said today.

“They have a particular approach that we don’t embrace, that we don’t accept,” McGuinty told his first news conference since yesterday’s Ontario budget was brought down.

He was referring to the federal Conservative government insistence that Ontario slash its business taxes in order to stimulate the flagging provincial economy.

“We’ve got five-point plan (for the economy), they got a one-point plan,” the premier said.

“I think in the beginning of the 21st century, in a knowledge-based global economy, the world is a bit more complex than just cutting taxes.”

Yesterday's budget introduced a $1.5-billion retraining plan to help Ontarians who have lost their jobs in the manufacturing sector, the lifeblood in the provincial economy.

The budget also included $750 million in business tax breaks spread over four years, including the elimination of the capital tax for manufacturers as of Jan. 1, 2007.

“If all we did is cut taxes, we couldn’t afford to invest in a training centre and we couldn’t afford to invest in these young guys and help them get the best jobs,” McGuinty said after touring the Ottawa Walls and Ceilings Training Centre run by the Carpenters’ Union, Local 2041.

“What we are trying to do is to strike that balance to make sure that we reduce taxes in an affordable way.”

McGuinty said at the same time it's his job to “find some common ground and to work with the federal government” which has been relentless in its attacks on the provincial Liberal government’s tax policies.
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Despite my many reservations on Dalton and the Liberals, his quote in bolded text above makes me feel better. We elected a government that looks at the big picture and builds multiple doors for us to get through. Right on Daltie...
 
Seriously now, this is just getting disgusting.

Harper Tories take fresh shot at Ontario
The Canadian Press
March 26, 2008 at 6:35 PM EDT
Ottawa — The federal Conservatives' relentless assault on the Ontario government intensified Wednesday with their most explosive salvo — an accusation that Premier Dalton McGuinty of having run a "sponsorship-style" slush fund.

Tory MP Pierre Poilievre drew parallels between Mr. McGuinty's Liberal government and the corruption seen in the federal Liberals' infamous sponsorship program.

The attack comes on the heels of Finance Minister Jim Flaherty's constant pummelling of Ontario's economic policy.

Mr. Poilievre ratcheted up the onslaught after Mr. McGuinty warned the federal government to avoid what he described as a short-sighted view that privileges skilled immigrants over unskilled ones.

The Tories responded by sending out Mr. Poilievre to defend their immigration reforms — and take a few shots at the Premier.

"All Dalton McGuinty has ever done on immigration is run a sponsorship-style slush fund that cost him his citizenship minister," Mr. Poilievre said in an interview.

"So we won't be taking any advice from him on immigration."

He was referring to Mike Colle, who resigned last year when it was revealed that his department gave $32.4-million in grants to multicultural groups with no oversight procedures.

Mr. Poilievre, who represents the Ontario riding of Nepean-Carleton, appears to have been designated as the Conservatives' new sniper in the war of acid-dipped barbs with Queen's Park. He travelled to Toronto on Tuesday to criticize the provincial budget. He called The Canadian Press offering his thoughts on the Ontario Premier's visit to his hometown of Ottawa.

The latest round of hostilities began at a press conference Wednesday.

The Premier was asked several times about federal criticisms of his budget, and tersely replied that he believed his economic approach was better.

Then he was asked about the sweeping new federal immigration reforms and he replied that his own ancestors were unskilled workers — just like the parents of some Canadian Rhodes scholars.

"I wouldn't want to shut out folks who don't have a skill. I wouldn't be here," Mr. McGuinty told a news conference.

"We were part of the exodus from Ireland at the time of famine. We had no skills, we couldn't speak English, and we were dirt-poor.

"But we were looking for opportunity and we brought with us a solid work ethic."

Mr. Poilievre said the Premier had no business commenting on immigration — which he described as an exclusively federal jurisdiction.

In fact the 1867 Constitution Act sets out immigration as a federal responsibility, but also specifies that provinces can set immigration policy. Quebec has had its own immigration department for decades.

Mr. Poilievre described federal immigration reforms as a way to reduce waiting times that he said are deterring skilled workers from coming to Canada.

He said the federal Tories want more immigrants in Canada, and noted that a record 430,000 permanent and temporary residents were allowed into the country last year.

Then he took a few more shots at Mr. McGuinty.

"I think the slush fund that the McGuinty Liberals used was a disgraceful waste of money and represented a lack of respect for Ontario's immigrant communities," Mr. Poilievre said.

"So we're not going to be taking any advice from Premier McGuinty on these matters."

He demurred when asked whether he was actually comparing the Ontario immigration imbroglio to the federal sponsorship scam, which saw cash-stuffed envelopes forked over to Liberal bagmen in exchange for tens of millions in do-nothing federal contracts.

"I don't think anyone is accusing him (Mr. McGuinty) of being as corrupt as the previous federal Liberal government. Nor are we excusing the slush fund that Premier McGuinty's Liberal government was caught with."
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Perhaps McGuinty should now sue the Conservative Party of Canada for libel.
 
The Cons are running out of ideas if they think they can win another quasi-government on sponsorship.

After all the scandal uncovered from the Cons, do they really think they can slide into any kind of majority using these tactics? Its like they are crying instead of standing for something.
 
Darkstar416 said:
It's the buttheads in northern Etobicoke though who really make me scratch my head.
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AlvinofDiaspar said:
There is a reason why the Ontario Liberals have a majority and the Federal Cons don't.

AoD
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BrandonTO416 said:
The Cons are running out of ideas if they think they can win another quasi-government on sponsorship.

After all the scandal uncovered from the Cons, do they really think they can slide into any kind of majority using these tactics? Its like they are crying instead of standing for something.
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These are all excellent points but there are (and always will remain) some really stupid voters around; the northern Etobicoke people make this abundantly clear, returning Ford to City Hall last autumn...

All the more reason for Dalton McGuinty and team to really sharpen up their tactics, there is a lot at stake here. A whole lot. And maybe Bob Rae (now that he has a federal seat) will help. He can remind everyone that the last time the PCs were in power in Ontario they left the cupboard bare, even in a good economic situation.

And yes, 299, Dalton McGuinty is showing some brains and class in his responses but perhaps a more combative stance is needed. I am tired of seeing Ontario behave like a big patsy -- getting fleeced, and then kicked in the whatnots.
 
Mr. Poilievre said the Premier had no business commenting on immigration — which he described as an exclusively federal jurisdiction.
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Considering the proportion of immigrants settling in Ontario, particularly Toronto, I beg to differ.

On the other hand, there is no doubt in my mind that the Ontario budget is an area of exclusive provincial jurisdiction. Didn't stop Flaherty from commenting in an area he had no business in, so I suppose Mr. Poilievre should be in a rush to give his colleague some pep talk now?

AoD
 
Really the more the Tories open their mouth, the more popular Mcgunity gets in Ontario. Overwhelming, even conservative Talk Show hosts are all backing Dalton here.

Why??

Its simple Ontario likes the provincial Liberals more so then the Federal Tories.....

Plus we in Ontario dislike Flaherty...
 
How dumb is Mr Polievre, really?
http://www.citizenship.gov.on.ca/english/news/2006/n20060630.shtml
The first-ever Canada-Ontario Immigration Agreement was signed in November 2005. The Agreement signals a new era of federal-provincial collaboration in the integration of newcomers to Ontario. Over the next five years, Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) plans to invest $920 million in new funding (subject to parliamentary appropriations) for settlement and language training programs and services in Ontario. To guide this investment, the federal and provincial governments will jointly develop settlement and language training strategies. The overall goal of these strategies is to support the successful social and economic integration of immigrants in Ontario.
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this MP is an idiot.

You should have heard him on when he was in the opposition.

He said the Liberals are responsible for the rape of young girls...:rolleyes:

I think he was talking about the age of consent...
 
These are all excellent points but there are (and always will remain) some really stupid voters around; the northern Etobicoke people make this abundantly clear, returning Ford to City Hall last autumn...
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I actually wrote that before I even heard about his arrest yesterday. So now I think there are really, REALLY, stupid voters out there. ;)
 
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