Of course, that site, which bumped a proposed park, was then coopted with a push for housing.

That push did not deliver housing, but killed the library.

The housing proposal remains unfunded, and to my understanding will not be pursued in the near to medium term.

Maybe we can go back to making it a park! LOL Of course.........Parks will launch another 5-year engagement process which will stall anything happening at all.
Would a meanwhile use application speed things up?

And in the interest of identifying all heritage buildings on corner lots for sale I looked at the city’s heritage map and MLS but no luck. Anyone more knowledgeable able to take a stab at it?

I also wonder if the building could be a private sale?
 
I hate the idea of putting this at Queen and Parliament. That kills me. Someone proposed the COC building and I was elated, both in proximity to me and the chance to be in a remodelled COC.

Q&P doesn’t feel like Corktown or St Lawrence, might as well be at Eglinton & Yonge.

Is Front and Parliament ever gonna be anything useful? I mean, discounting the inevitable condo lobbies and nail salons that’ll go into the towers we’ll see in ten years when the subway is done.

How are we a decade and a half into development in this old brownfield and it’s still a dead zone? Library? Nah. Book depository with work opportunities, eff you, have a data centre nobody goes into instead. Park in the green P? Nah we’re gonna rent it to the car dealership who’ll leave but use it for storage. Go look at some cars. Hotel? Nuh uh. Screw that. Never. School in canary perpetually pushed, that second data centre site is sitting vacant. Can’t even get a pharmacy.

The WE building taking this is a slap in the face to folks in esplanade, canary and distillery.
 
I hate the idea of putting this at Queen and Parliament. That kills me. Someone proposed the COC building and I was elated, both in proximity to me and the chance to be in a remodelled COC.

Q&P doesn’t feel like Corktown or St Lawrence, might as well be at Eglinton & Yonge.

Is Front and Parliament ever gonna be anything useful? I mean, discounting the inevitable condo lobbies and nail salons that’ll go into the towers we’ll see in ten years when the subway is done.

How are we a decade and a half into development in this old brownfield and it’s still a dead zone? Library? Nah. Book depository with work opportunities, eff you, have a data centre nobody goes into instead. Park in the green P? Nah we’re gonna rent it to the car dealership who’ll leave but use it for storage. Go look at some cars. Hotel? Nuh uh. Screw that. Never. School in canary perpetually pushed, that second data centre site is sitting vacant. Can’t even get a pharmacy.

The WE building taking this is a slap in the face to folks in esplanade, canary and distillery.

I live in the Canary area and don’t see this as a slap in the face. The WE building isn’t that far at all.

Also, there are two pharmacies within walking distance already and a Shoppers opening soon. Plus a hotel just across the river at Broadview.

You make it sound like we live in a greenfield out in Caledon or something.
 
I live in the Canary area and don’t see this as a slap in the face. The WE building isn’t that far at all.

Also, there are two pharmacies within walking distance already and a Shoppers opening soon. Plus a hotel just across the river at Broadview.

You make it sound like we live in a greenfield out in Caledon or something.
People have different ideas about proximity and accessibility. There’s the No frills pharmacy in a soon to be disappeared location. But both shoppers are 1km away.

And it’s funny cuz a friend was visiting the distillery last week and overheard someone touring their parents around, telling them “it’s great living here but there’s nothing around us”.

I’ve seen tourists stand at the end of the distillery, on parliament map in hand staring down the street at the Gardiner and decide south wasn’t an option.

And plenty of years of folks who get off the streetcar on King, look south and go “huh”? When going the to Xmas market.

I can see a parent on the Esplanade sending their 10yo to visit the library in their current location, likely even the COC building. No parent on the Esplande is letting their kid walk up to Queen & Parliament. That’s not a St Lawrence Market library, that’s a Moss Park library.
 
People have different ideas about proximity and accessibility. There’s the No frills pharmacy in a soon to be disappeared location. But both shoppers are 1km away.

And it’s funny cuz a friend was visiting the distillery last week and overheard someone touring their parents around, telling them “it’s great living here but there’s nothing around us”.

I’ve seen tourists stand at the end of the distillery, on parliament map in hand staring down the street at the Gardiner and decide south wasn’t an option.

And plenty of years of folks who get off the streetcar on King, look south and go “huh”? When going the to Xmas market.

I can see a parent on the Esplanade sending their 10yo to visit the library in their current location, likely even the COC building. No parent on the Esplande is letting their kid walk up to Queen & Parliament. That’s not a St Lawrence Market library, that’s a Moss Park library.

Why would I go to No Frills when there’s Healthshield pharmacy at King and River? There’s also Pharmasave on River street a block north too. A new Shoppers is opening literally across the street from the Distillery.

I think lumping the Distillery and Canary District into your argument makes no sense considering the walk to the existing library is no better than the possible new location. The reality is not everyone is going to have a library on their street. This location is fine and will serve just as many people as the existing location, if not more.
 
People have different ideas about proximity and accessibility.

This is true. Some empathy, in both directions is appropriate, to understand the default attitude of those for whom mobility is comparatively easy/low-burden, and likewise, for those who find it a challenge.

There’s the No frills pharmacy in a soon to be disappeared location. But both shoppers are 1km away.

1km isn't all that far, it's 15 minutes walking distance as defined by typical adult walking speed.

Obviously a greater burden if, for whatever reason your gait is slower.

And it’s funny cuz a friend was visiting the distillery last week and overheard someone touring their parents around, telling them “it’s great living here but there’s nothing around us”.

That's a bit of a stretch. If you said, there are relatively few full-line supermarkets close by, or few big box retailers, fair game.

But there's lots of retail in distillery. Lots of restaurants/bars/coffee shops, galleries and even health/medical.

I’ve seen tourists stand at the end of the distillery, on parliament map in hand staring down the street at the Gardiner and decide south wasn’t an option.

Tourists, unfamiliar w/the area, not understanding the map is not a good representation for residents.

Perhaps our maps could be better, and certainly the Gardiner is a an unsightly barrier as arguably the rail corridor is, but both are quite passable in the literal sense.


I can see a parent on the Esplanade sending their 10yo to visit the library in their current location, likely even the COC building. No parent on the Esplande is letting their kid walk up to Queen & Parliament. That’s not a St Lawrence Market library, that’s a Moss Park library.

My mother grew up in the Beaches, when it was not at all swank. She moved to Toronto w/her family at the age of 6 from small town Quebec.........she didn't speak a word of English.

She went to school on Sherbourne, near Wellesley, she travelled by streetcar, by herself, at the age of 6, all the way, transferring at Sherbourne.

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Ah but that was another era, right?

Except.....I got my house keys at 9, and walked home after school, about 2km........while in grade 4..............and then fed the cats, walked back to the subway, where I boarded, alone, and went downtown to meet my mother for dinner....meeting her in her office (she was a secretary) .......

The next year, at 10, I went to a school 1/2 way across the City, by myself, transiting more than an hour each way.

The idea that 1km is some terrible burden, particularly for those who are able bodied is too much.

I'm happy to humour the idea that this location is imperfect, not ideal, not what you would have chosen, etc.

Fair.....we all have different needs, wants and preferences.

But to suggest that the distance is somehow absurd in general........no.

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From the corner of Cherry and Mill to the existing library 1.03km

Amusingly, guess the distance from Cherry and Mill to Queen and Parliament.

If you said 1.03km you'd be right.

PS, I didn't know it was identical until I measured.
 
There are also soon (well, relatively, anyways) to be subway stops at Queen and Sherbourne, and King and Parliament. Those are going to shift the centre of gravity of the neighbourhood to the northeast with all the new development. This is a great place for it long term.

Edit to add: I hadn't read xmyth's post thoroughly. I do agree that it's a Moss Park library rather than a St. Lawrence one, but if they're leaving the St. Lawrence one open, that's totally fine (hopefully with renovations!) If you think two subway stops is not going to eventually make this square of the city one of the absolute best spots to live, I don't know what to say to you. The data centre was definitely a mistake, but it won't be replicated.
 
And a Member Motion at Council will have this site be an 'interim' park at least, while its long term use is still under discussion.


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@Paclo should we find an alternate title for this thread (as this site is no longer to be a library) or, should we assign this thread to the new library location?

I think we need to separate those out, as they are not in the same place.
 
Knowing this city, "interim" will end up turning into permanent and this will turn into a sad and sorry "park".
 
@Paclo should we find an alternate title for this thread (as this site is no longer to be a library) or, should we assign this thread to the new library location?

I think we need to separate those out, as they are not in the same place.
125 THE ESPLANADE (City of Toronto, TBD)
 

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