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Sorry - I meant that the RTES report wasn't an actual new proposal, even though it was proposed as an alignment in the RTES actual report. If you click on gregs link, you will see the alignment that is being touted in the RTES report.

I should have worded my second response more clearly as to say that it wasn't a new proposal, but as an alignment alternative (looping vs going north up to hwy 7 and looping there) in the RTES report.

Hence, it wasn't a new proposal that was being proposed as an alignment in the RTES report.
 
Wouldn't going over Yonge's capacity result in enough complaints and politics to maybe push through a DTRL on either the east or west? (though probably the east would make more sense).

As far as the Sheppard line, I don't think it was a waste of money or 'debacle'. It may not have been the best location for a subway but it's definitely useful.
 
To be even more clear,

read section: 7.3 The Yonge line capacity and need for the YUL loop
 
"As if any of them do......."

I was responding to this:

"This thing has become the poster boy for all that's wrong with Toronto transit"

Say it enough times and it'll be true...that's one thing that's wrong with Toronto in general.

"Theres no such capacity issue. If there was one, you'd see a resurgence of the DRL. The VCC extension is mutually exclusive, and will not signficantly divert riders away from the yonge line."

The DRL's main feature is to divert riders off of the Yonge line south of Bloor, not north of Bloor, where the crowds, frankly, aren't that bad. The Vaughan extension will divert riders, particularly of Steeles West and Finch West buses (over 50K ridership combined), onto the University line and off the Yonge line, but not nearly as many as a DRL would...there's already a DRL in the west - the Spadina line, and the Vaughan extension just adds to it.
 
You are guys are going to shoot me here, but there is a way the TTC can fix the crowding problem on the Yonge line. All it would take is for the TTC to stop making riders from Scarborough ride for one hour to the Yonge line, to access the subway. There are other ways the TTC can get these people downtown with a word I am not going to use on here :) , but it involves buses.
 
I don't think it's a debacle at all, at least, not yet. Ridership is low, but the problem is more the size of the line than anything else, and I don't think the idea of a Sheppard subway was misguided since the city needed an east-west subway for the northern part of the city. Because of the size of the line, there is really no reason why anyone would take the train unless they lived near Sheppard, between Bayview and Don Mills or maybe the 404, a small area indeed. If it ran the length of Sheppard East, it would serve most people in the northeast of the city.

The effect the subway has had on its feeder bus routes is also very encouraging. Once it's extended to STC (and hopefully to Downsview or even further west), more and more passengers will be funnelled onto the line.
 
The DRL's main feature is to divert riders off of the Yonge line south of Bloor, not north of Bloor, where the crowds, frankly, aren't that bad
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Which is why I said it was mutually exclusive.
 
I don't know why people think the Sheppard line is doing poor. The Sheppard line is the same length as the SRT, and has similar ridership of 45,000 a day. That is not a small amount of people. St Louis' Metrolink train is 65KM long and only has a ridership of 46,000 a day.

Toronto's subways have very high ridership no matter how long or short they are. 45,000 riders is not something to laugh at as not important. Its a hell of a alot of riders.
 
Mike

The capacity of both modes/techonolgy is vastly different. Comparing ridership on a subway line vs the SRT is like comparing the SRT to a bus route.
 
The line is only a couple of years old. It is an act of city building. the remains tremendous development potential along the line and there have been a number of project built in the last few years bringing additional riders to the TTC and generating hundreds of millions of dollars in government revenue. Development will pay off the cost of the expansion.
 
If they build a subway to STC instead of light rail or streetcar you will see a big increase in ridership. You won't get people out of cars and using transit if you expect them to hop on a bus, streetcar or light rail vehicle. Ridership growth is in the burbs and beyond. More GO train and subway options is the way to go. ROWs and the like look nice on postcards but they wont help increase ridership.
 
The line is only a couple of years old. It is an act of city building. the remains tremendous development potential along the line and there have been a number of project built in the last few years bringing additional riders to the TTC and generating hundreds of millions of dollars in government revenue. Development will pay off the cost of the expansion.
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Anyone have any word on the CDN Tire Development?
 
"You won't get people out of cars and using transit if you expect them to hop on a ... streetcar or light rail vehicle."

This has been proven to be false a hundred times over throughout Europe, Asia, and North America. People care far more about the quality of service than the label used to identify it.
 
Sorry, I meant, any update on the Sheppard Dev. That pdf is dated, and I havn't seen any recent chat, like it dropped off the the edge of the Scarborough Bluffs.
 
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