Krypto98
Active Member
Any updates about weekend service on the Kitchener Corridor.
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Streety McCarface
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Not happening for the foreseeable future. CN needs the Guelph sub, especially on weekends to do their freight operations, particularly those that involve switching with CP along the Huron park spur.
There's also a ton of construction at the 401 tunnels and Bramalea station that running any sort of weekend service isn't feasible at the moment. What I don't understand is why 30 service doesn't run on weekends.
timio
Active Member
There'd need to be an express bus from Bramalea to Union to make the 30 running on weekends practical. The 25-21 works fine for the most part, although you need to get up to the universities to catch the express to make travel times reasonable.
ShonTron
Moderator
Malton Station doesn't draw much ridership on the 31 bus in my experience, especially on weekends. Given Malton GO's relative isolation, I suspect that the Miway 30 bus to Islington draws more Toronto-bound traffic. But even the extra stop at Malton only adds a few minutes over a non-stop trip to Bramalea GO at most times.
I agree that the 25C is the only worthwhile branch for travelling directly from Toronto to Waterloo - the regular 25 has far too many stops off the highway that add at least 30 minutes to the trip.
robmausser
Senior Member
surely there is a case for weekend train service between Union-Bramalea? Once the 401 tunnel is complete of course.
robmausser
Senior Member
Why not weekend train service from Bramalea to Union? Once the 401 tunnel is complete. It wouldnt interfere with CN, and you could have the weekend buses go to Bramalea.
Krypto98
Active Member
UP Express is already running 15 minute service on the same tracks. Frequencies below 30 minutes arent possible unless the tunnel is completed. Looking at the site the other day, they have fencing between the tracks and the tunneling site.
Probably should ask @smallspy about this.
smallspy
Senior Member
The signalling system installed on the line can handle dual 15-minute frequencies without too much difficulty. The RTCs, on the other hand.....
What would make it tricky, however, are the other limitations within the corridor - for instance, the single platform at Etobicoke North, or the fact that the Barrie trains are currently limited to only a single track between Strachan and Parkdale.And the fact that the two different types of rolling stock have fairly different performance characteristics.
Weekend service is coming to the line - but the timing seems to be a bit fluid, to say the least.
Dan
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
The express buses are basically non-existent on weekends. Sure, when the 25 is eventually extended to Kipling (or the 25F is made a permanent feature of the line), then it'll be practical, but right now, a 3 hr commute to downtown is awful on all fronts, and that's assuming you make the connection with the 21.
Personally, I think that the 25F should become its own route, treat it as a HWY 407 bus and extend it throughout North York. I can see usage there.
The questions then become how far will that weekend service go, and what time will they run at. Reducing the number of school trips might be ideal for Metrolinx, even though buses are fairly cheap to operate along the corridor.
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
That's the goal with RER, but with electrification eventually entering the scope of work that needs to be done to the line, I'm not sure I can see it happening until after the line is electrified.
Krypto98
Active Member
I'm guessing only as far as bramalea and hourly, or as far as mount pleasant and the odd trip out of kitchener or Georgetown. Higher frequencies aren't really possible with all the bottlenecks
cbrown2009
Active Member
I don’t understand why they couldn’t run an hourly weekend schedule even as far as Mount Pleasant, and even extend the odd trip to Kitchener, given a similar timetable to the weekday midday schedule. Work on the 401/409 tunnel are off-corridor and the constraint with Etobicoke North and UP train frequency is no different than any other time. Also, CN operations don’t seem to be any more intense on weekends compared to any other day...
One question: there was a rendering of a proposal a bit back for a new 3rd track through downtown Brampton with a new bus terminal and building. Would anyone know far along/close to becoming a real plan that might be?
One question: there was a rendering of a proposal a bit back for a new 3rd track through downtown Brampton with a new bus terminal and building. Would anyone know far along/close to becoming a real plan that might be?
mb4wong
New Member
Could you give a link to the renderings you saw?
Krypto98
Active Member
Allandale25
Senior Member
@cbrown2009 @mb4wong there was also this map posted by @ShonTron:
urbantoronto.ca
In the May 15, 2019 version of the rendering posted by a Brampton City Councillor they didn't show the third track.
Interesting to see in @Krypto98's reply above that the August 2, 2019 video by the City does show it.
The third track recently came up in the Metrolinx Town Hall through this question:
Time marked video response to it here:
GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)
"Feasibility of flow through to Stouffville corridor to be confirmed" - I think that is of great interest to @steveintoronto
In the May 15, 2019 version of the rendering posted by a Brampton City Councillor they didn't show the third track.
Interesting to see in @Krypto98's reply above that the August 2, 2019 video by the City does show it.
The third track recently came up in the Metrolinx Town Hall through this question:
Time marked video response to it here: