[Bordercollie]

It's a good idea in concept. But what's the goal here. Brantford to Six Nations service? For which this is a good start. Though reliability is going to be variable by the time it get's to the Six Nations.

Six Nations to Hamilton service? For which it's rather circuitous.

I feel this would be better handled through a regional service, rather than a provincial service. Which is true of a lot of places throughout the province.

Good news is that you can travel by bus from Haggersville.

 

[nfitz]

Good news is that you can travel by bus from Haggersville.

I don't see it on Sean's map
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[Bordercollie]

Google says this is where the gas bar is.

New Credit Variety & Gas Bar · Hagersville, Ontario

maps.app.goo.gl

 

[rbt]

Good news is that you can travel by bus from Haggersville.

Southern Ontario Transit? That's a new agency to me.

 

[nfitz]

Is there a service aside from HSR's Route 100?

Ah interesting. I popped over the HSR website (perhaps I couldn't find it - I could only see one for the City of Hamilton), but I actually couldn't find a map. Does anyone know where it is?

The city website doesn't have a route 100. There's a route 99 - but other than that, nothing beyond the 50s.

 

[ShonTron]

Southern Ontario Transit? That's a new agency to me.

Yeah, it’s gone. It was a private company that had no cooperation from Haldimand County and only ran between September and December.

 

[rbt]

Ah interesting. I popped over the HSR website (perhaps I couldn't find it - I could only see one for the City of Hamilton), but I actually couldn't find a map. Does anyone know where it is?

The city website doesn't have a route 100. There's a route 99 - but other than that, nothing beyond the 50s.

Sorry, I mislead you. It was Southern Ontario Transit which is apparently defunct; I presumed HSR because Google Maps made it look that way to me.

 

[SkylineHorizons]

What was the medical condition? How did both crew miss the red light?

Only one crew missed the light, the crew coming out of Aldershot. The westbound crew had a signal to enter that block. The eastbound train meanwhile was supposed to stay in the pocket track until the westbound train cleared the block. Epilepsy apparently, rumor is they once had a seizure while operating before. It'll be interesting to read the TSB's report to see if that played a role here.

It would be interesting to know how many of those 161 (2023) incidents happened on GO transit, and whether that number is trending up or down. From what one hears on the grapevine, the number is not zero.

During my time there it averaged about a handful or two every year. And this was not the only incident where a head on collision was just barely avoided. There have been multiple such incidents in the Union Station Rail Corrider over the past decade or so. Thankfully trains operate at slower speeds in there so I don't think any of them came closer to an actual collision than this one.

Ive always thought blowing past a stop signal is an immediate firing right? like if a bus blew a red light?

No, termination has always required two cardinal rule violations. Cardinal rule violations are serious infractions, such as passing stop signals without authority, severe overspeeding, or entering foreman limits without authorization. This policy is based on precedent originally set by the railways themselves and continues to be the standard upheld by arbitrators.

However, there are exceptions. Crews are drug tested after every incident, and if someone is found to be under the influence, it will result in immediate termination—even for lesser offenses like running a switch in a yard. Similarly, if a cell phone is found to have been in use at the time of an offense, it is considered a dismissible offense, likewise even for a first or less severe violation.

 

[nfitz]

Sorry, I mislead you. It was Southern Ontario Transit which is apparently defunct; I presumed HSR because Google Maps made it look that way to me.

Thanks. This is the kind of service that HSR and local municpalities should provide.

I'd still be interested to see an HSR service map!

 

[generalcanada]

Only one crew missed the light, the crew coming out of Aldershot. The westbound crew had a signal to enter that block. The eastbound train meanwhile was supposed to stay in the pocket track until the westbound train cleared the block. Epilepsy apparently, rumor is they once had a seizure while operating before. It'll be interesting to read the TSB's report to see if that played a role here.

During my time there it averaged about a handful or two every year. And this was not the only incident where a head on collision was just barely avoided. There have been multiple such incidents in the Union Station Rail Corrider over the past decade or so. Thankfully trains operate at slower speeds in there so I don't think any of them came closer to an actual collision than this one.

No, termination has always required two cardinal rule violations. Cardinal rule violations are serious infractions, such as passing stop signals without authority, severe overspeeding, or entering foreman limits without authorization. This policy is based on precedent originally set by the railways themselves and continues to be the standard upheld by arbitrators.

However, there are exceptions. Crews are drug tested after every incident, and if someone is found to be under the influence, it will result in immediate termination—even for lesser offenses like running a switch in a yard. Similarly, if a cell phone is found to have been in use at the time of an offense, it is considered a dismissible offense, likewise even for a first or less severe violation.

Interesting information.

 

[KevinT]

Can’t wait to see how Kitchener with a population of 282000 and 106kms away from union gets more frequent and all day service before Mississauga with a population of 770000 and 26kms away from union. Makes total sense.

Note that the Kitchener line got the weekend service, not Kitchener itself. We're still off-line on weekends...

 

[nfitz]

Note that the Kitchener line got the weekend service, not Kitchener itself. We're still off-line on weekends...

It's the stations in Mississauga and just north of Mississauga that got the service increase.

 

[Sauga89]

Good news is that you can travel by bus from Haggersville.

Google says this is where the gas bar is.

New Credit Variety & Gas Bar · Hagersville, Ontario

maps.app.goo.gl

I mean, I'm not sure if a GO bus stop 2 km from Hagersville counts as a stop "in" Hagersville. For there to be a stop in Hagersville, from what I understand, they'd have to add Haldimand County to GO's service area. It seems a waste to come so close and not stop in the town itself.

I drew a rough map of the route from Brantford, with each dot representing a stop.

If they're not stopping in Hagersville itself, I don't know why they wouldn't scrap that last stop and loop back on Caledonia and the Hamilton airport instead. I imagine a lot of people would have to drive or get dropped off anyways to reach that last stop at the gas bar outside of Hagersville, and it's only a 6 minute drive to reach the next stop at 50 Generations Drive.

 

[ShonTron]

Haldimand County doesn’t want transit, despite new subdivisions in Caledonia and Hagersville. That doesn’t stop GO from stopping there, but it seemed to be clear that Six Nations and Mississaugas of the New Credit wanted service.

 

[sixrings]

I mean, I'm not sure if a GO bus stop 2 km from Hagersville counts as a stop "in" Hagersville. For there to be a stop in Hagersville, from what I understand, they'd have to add Haldimand County to GO's service area. It seems a waste to come so close and not stop in the town itself.

I drew a rough map of the route from Brantford, with each dot representing a stop.
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If they're not stopping in Hagersville itself, I don't know why they wouldn't scrap that last stop and loop back on Caledonia and the Hamilton airport instead. I imagine a lot of people would have to drive or get dropped off anyways to reach that last stop at the gas bar outside of Hagersville, and it's only a 6 minute drive to reach the next stop at 50 Generations Drive.

Cooksville is 2kms away from MCC. At least GO is being consistent.