[ssiguy2]

Let me get this straight. You are telling me that the city can't string up some wires because the corridor already has trains using it? That is bizarre. I guess, by that reasoning, you cannot build a new overpass or widen a freeway because there are already cars on the road? Or, dare I say, you can't put in new bike lanes because that lane already is being used? I guess the subway hasn't had any new tracks put in since 1950.

How was it also possible to build whole new stations along these tracks while it was still running trains? Putting up a couple poles is child's play compared to new stations. As for the parts that aren't yet double tracked, why aren't they putting up the poles in tandem with them as opposed to having to go back later and do it? Why aren't they putting up the poles now for the sections that are done or even at the current stations? I guess the streetcar wires must be the same ones they put up in the 1800s.

I don't know what's worse, ML complete incompetence or your willingness to justify their incompetence.

 

[ARG1]

Let me get this straight. You are telling me that the city can't string up some wires because the corridor already has trains using it? That is bizarre. I guess, by that reasoning, you cannot build a new overpass or widen a freeway because there are already cars on the road? Or, dare I say, you can't put in new bike lanes because that lane already is being used? I guess the subway hasn't had any new tracks put in since 1950.

How was it also possible to build whole new stations along these tracks while it was still running trains? Putting up a couple poles is child's play compared to new stations. As for the parts that aren't yet double tracked, why aren't they putting up the poles in tandem with them as opposed to having to go back later and do it? Why aren't they putting up the poles now for the sections that are done or even at the current stations? I guess the streetcar wires must be the same ones they put up in the 1800s.

I don't know what's worse, ML complete incompetence or your willingness to justify their incompetence.

I too am a fan of ignoring 90% of what responders try to tell me.

 

[Mind_the_gap]

It shocks me how many of you are still able to see posts from people who have consistently demonstrated that they are incapable of internalizing any information or having an intelligent discussion. The ignore function is very useful for those kinds of posters.

With the utmost respect @reaperexpress, this is my quarrel with the "Ignore"-button.

I thought the whole purpose of it was only to use it if a member is harrassing another on the forum, until staff have dealt with them.

Not to ignore what others have written - otherwise, what's the point of a forum...

I'd like to think we're all here because we genuinely love transit/infrastructure, which is enough reason not to "Ignore".

I don't ignore anyone, because we all have good moments, if we're well-intentioned here.

Keep in mind, alot of people who used to enjoy two model train conventions a year (International/Congress Centre) have been relegated to forums...

 

[Urban Sky]

I don't ignore anyone, because we all have good moments, if we're well-intentioned here.

This is exactly the point here: some people come to engage in constructive and open discussions, whereas people like @ssiguy2 and @micheal_can just come here to relentlessly troll by vomiting their ever-same BS on us and never actually acknowledge any of the overwhelmingly negative feedback they receive. Which is why I usually respond in the harshest-possible terms I feel can fly under the radar of the mods, to discourage these trolls from further posts and others of further interactions. I guess it‘s best to follow the advice of @reaperexpress to even stop such interactions, but I will instead ask people who still insist on interacting with these fellow commenters to chose direct messages for their conversations, to prevent the discussions here from getting hijacked by this relentless trolling…

 

[reaperexpress]

With the utmost respect @reaperexpress, this is my quarrel with the "Ignore"-button.

I thought the whole purpose of it was only to use it if a member is harrassing another on the forum, until staff have dealt with them.

Not to ignore what others have written - otherwise, what's the point of a forum...

I'd like to think we're all here because we genuinely love transit/infrastructure, which is enough reason not to "Ignore".

I don't ignore anyone, because we all have good moments, if we're well-intentioned here.

Keep in mind, alot of people who used to enjoy two model train conventions a year (International/Congress Centre) have been relegated to forums...

I don't take the ignore button lightly. I have only added a handful of exceptionally counterproductive people who repeatedly demonstrated that they have no intention or perhaps no ability to have an intelligent discussion.

In the case of those people, seeing their posts only causes me annoyance since I'll have the urge to respond to their nonsensical claims. I come to Urban Toronto to have interesting discussions, and if people are consistently undermining that goal it is only logical for me to remove them from my feed. I have no moral obligation to read anyone's post, and the ignore function helps me filter through the garbage to find the posts I do want to read (i.e all the posts from everyone else).

 

[ssiguy2]

If putting up the poles for the rail sections that are already twinned/completed or any of the current complete station is an impossibility, then how will it not be impossible a decade from now?

It is your transit system. Excusing such extreme incompetence is your choice. I guess, like governments, people get the transit system they deserve.

 

[crs1026]

If putting up the poles for the rail sections that are already twinned/completed or any of the current complete station is an impossibility, then how will it not be impossible a decade from now?

And what would that token installation accomplish, given that other items will hold up completion anyways?
Other than adding to the disjointed completion of procurement and work that is already a problem. And creating a drain on funds with no return where other things need the available money more immediately. And getting in the way of other tasks, not to mention operating trains.
I am (sort of) confident that when the time comes, the poles will go up in a (fairly) sensible sequence.
It's hard to defend ML's project management....but all the same, now is not the right time to begin installing electrification infrastructure. That time will come.

- Paul

 

[Urban Sky]

And what would that token installation accomplish, given that other items will hold up completion anyways?
Other than adding to the disjointed completion of procurement and work that is already a problem. And creating a drain on funds with no return where other things need the available money more immediately. And getting in the way of other tasks, not to mention operating trains.
I am (sort of) confident that when the time comes, the poles will go up in a (fairly) sensible sequence.
It's hard to defend ML's project management....but all the same, now is not the right time to begin installing electrification infrastructure. That time will come.

- Paul

If there was any willingness (or intellectual capability) to process and acknowledge anything you are telling him, this wouldn‘t be already the twohundredfourtyeigthth time someone is disecting his misconceptions for him.

Unfortunately, the same reasons why people tell you to not feed wild animals also apply when dealing with trolls on forums like this one. The more you feed them the more they will feel encouraged to come again and again and the more nusiance they will impose on the community they leach from…

 

[felix123]

If there was any willingness (or intellectual capability) to process and acknowledge anything you are telling him, this wouldn‘t be already the twohundredfourtyeigthth time someone is disecting his misconceptions for him.

Unfortunately, the same reasons why people tell you to not feed wild animals also apply when dealing with trolls on forums like this one. The more you feed them the more they will feel encouraged to come again and again and the more nusiance they will impose on the community they leach from…

I think the insults are a bit much, and to be fair, I'm sure you could admit that your posts are also quite repetitive.

 

[ssiguy2]

If you think that all of my suggestions are unattainable, impractical, or even downright laughable then that is fine and totally you choice. What I don't understand is why you think Metrolinx will even live up to it's limited 2032 target. ML has consistently shown that it is not capable of meeting any of it's timetables. For ML, deadlines turned into goals which have now turned into nothing but mild suggestions. What makes you think this new timeline will be any different? If we are all still around, I'm willing to bet that in 7 years we will be discussing how ML has missed yet another deadline because there is absolutely, positively no reason to think they won't.

 

[duty free]

The GTHA region only really needs two RER lines in my opinion.

1. Lakeshore East + West

2. Kitchener + Stouffville

Those two alignments could attract over 100k riders per/day. The rest can be traditional commuter rail in my opinion.

 

[afransen]

The GTHA region only really needs two RER lines in my opinion.

1. Lakeshore East + West

2. Kitchener + Stouffville

Those two alignments could attract over 100k riders per/day. The rest can be traditional commuter rail in my opinion.

I tend to agree. There would be value in the Milton line if it obviates the calls subway service to MCC.

 

[duty free]

I tend to agree. There would be value in the Milton line if it obviates the calls subway service to MCC.

Sure, but that was never part of the plan. That would only become viable in the event they could add the Missing Link and use the entire midtown corridor. True RER through runs.

If Paris has five RER lines then Toronto would be set with two (or three if the Midtown Line is an option). The potential ridership is definitely there for Milton/Mississauga though.

 

[MisterF]

If Metrolinx can't even convert lines that it owns to RER standard then what hope does it have of doing the same for a line owned by CP? The whole point of GO expansion was to expand the lines that they have control over. It was supposed to be the easy part. It has turned out to be way more difficult than anticipated for whatever reason, and some of you are stuck on ideas that are even more complex. Good luck with that.

I'm not saying that the freight bypass is a bad idea. I'm just saying that it's never going to happen in an environment where a much more basic expansion was too much for Metrolinx to handle. It would require a government willing to make some fundamental changes to how we plan transit in Ontario. Clearly we don't have that now.

 

[nfitz]

Sure, but that was never part of the plan. That would only become viable in the event they could add the Missing Link and use the entire midtown corridor.

The missing link only gets CN trains off their track from Bramalea to Georgetown(ish). Getting CP of the mid-town corridor is a very different kettle of fish. And completely unnecessary to run RER on Milton; there's plenty of space for more tracks.