ITcomputer
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Don't give Ben any ideas, I don't think pretty boy would handle prison to well.
Don't give Ben any ideas, I don't think pretty boy would handle prison to well.
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I was about to say that no one is handing Ben $300,000 for nothing, but then I reminded myself that this is what he already gets for doing nothing (Canadian Idol, etc.).
nicetommy
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Mulroney will be found innocent, just like he was after Chretien went after him and wasted all those millions doing so. Harper will then stay true to his threats... and will launch an investigation against Chretien for the shady deals he was involved with between the golf courses/hotels and the Federal Business Development Bank... and he'll also go after Martin with the questionable activities that went on between Martin's Canada Steamship Lines and the Department of Finance.
What's sad about all this, is that THIS is the only thing that Dion and the Liberals can come up with to boost their ratings with the voters. I have a feeling it's going to blow uP in their faces. Dion was the biggest mistake the Liberals made last year. They should have gone with Ignatieff.
What's sad about all this, is that THIS is the only thing that Dion and the Liberals can come up with to boost their ratings with the voters. I have a feeling it's going to blow uP in their faces. Dion was the biggest mistake the Liberals made last year. They should have gone with Ignatieff.
unimaginative2
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That'd be great. The Tories tried to dredge that up and make a big deal out of it, but it was soon discovered (and buried on the back pages of the newspaper) that government support for CSL declined significantly after the Liberals were elected in 1993. It was highest under the Mulroney government.
It's amazing how much Conservatives will forgive in one of their own. He took $300,000 in cash from a known briber, and then said under oath that he had "no dealings" with the man. Under oath, he said that he had no dealings with a man who gave him $300,000 in cash at three separate meetings. None of that is in dispute.
nicetommy
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Unimaginative, Chretien was also certain he would nail Mulroney, and it ended up as mud in his face, along with millions of dollars in tax payer money flushed down the drain. Prediction: the same will happen again.
I really hope the Liberals can get their machine back in gear... but wasting all their time on this issue, like they have the last few days [especially considering that they too didn't give a crap about all of the contradicting Shrieber letters they received over the last couple of years] will end up costing them at the next election. The problem with the Liberals is that Dion is inept. Until that changes, the Liberal machine will be stuck in reverse [neutral at best]
I really hope the Liberals can get their machine back in gear... but wasting all their time on this issue, like they have the last few days [especially considering that they too didn't give a crap about all of the contradicting Shrieber letters they received over the last couple of years] will end up costing them at the next election. The problem with the Liberals is that Dion is inept. Until that changes, the Liberal machine will be stuck in reverse [neutral at best]
unimaginative2
Senior Member
Yes, because Mulroney blatantly lied under oath. Everybody said that you had to take the word of a former Prime Minister at face value. In this case, apparently not.
Testimony under oath which led to the settlement: "I had no dealings with Schreiber."
Reality: I accepted $300,000 in cash from that man at three separate meetings, on which I didn't pay taxes on time, and for which I claim to have performed work on his businesses.
I really think that's a ridiculous reason to not go after someone who broke the law. Just because it's hard to get a conviction on Enron people or Conrad Black, does that mean we should just give up and not bother prosecuting them.
I just find the fact that he got $300,000 in cash more than enough reason to investigate. Who does cash in that quantity outside of drug dealers and other crooks?
ITcomputer
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don't forget E talk daily....anyone? anyone? E talk daily?...uh hello?
unimaginative2
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Mulroney camp used German cash to help dump Clark
$25,000 in airfares paid for supporters, Schreiber testifies
DANIEL LEBLANC AND GREG MCARTHUR
December 12, 2007
The Globe and Mail
OTTAWA, TORONTO -- Supporters of Brian Mulroney received funds from German business and political sources in their 1983 campaign to bring down then Progressive Conservative leader Joe Clark, Karlheinz Schreiber said yesterday in his fourth appearance before the House of Commons ethics committee.
The German-Canadian businessman and lobbyist was quizzed at length on his financial links with Mr. Mulroney, laying the groundwork for the former prime minister's testimony tomorrow on Parliament Hill.
Mr. Schreiber said he paid about $25,000 to fly anti-Clark delegates to the 1983 Conservative convention in Winnipeg.
He said the money came from German politician Franz Josef Strauss and the Christian Social Union, a right-wing party in the state of Bavaria.
Mr. Schreiber said he worked at the time with pro-Mulroney officials such as former Newfoundland premier Frank Moores.
"The money came from myself and from the Strauss family and probably from the Christian Social Union," Mr. Schreiber said.
Mr. Schreiber said in previous testimony to the committee that he was a fundraiser for Mr. Strauss, who was then premier of Bavaria and chairman of Airbus Industries. Mr. Strauss died in 1988.
Although Mr. Clark received the support of 66.9 per cent of delegates in Winnipeg, he resigned and called a leadership race, which Mr. Mulroney won later that year.
While Mr. Mulroney was prime minister, from 1984 to 1993, Mr. Schreiber and Mr. Moores lobbied the federal government on behalf of three major European clients, including Airbus.
A letter raised at yesterday's hearing suggested that Mr. Schreiber met Mr. Mulroney at least three months before he stepped down as prime minister to discuss a plan by Thyssen AG to set up a light-armoured-vehicle plant in Canada.
In the letter to Mr. Mulroney dated March 16, 1993, Mr. Schreiber said he discussed the so-called Bear Head project at a meeting with Mr. Mulroney and then-minister Elmer MacKay at an official federal residence.
"You were dealing with Mulroney and with his government on the question of Thyssen, right?" Liberal MP Robert Thibault asked Mr. Schreiber.
"Sure. It was my job," Mr. Schreiber replied.
Mr. Schreiber has alleged that on June 23, 1993, two days before Mr. Mulroney resigned as prime minister, the pair struck a deal under which Mr. Mulroney would promote the Thyssen project with the next government, which they hoped would be a majority Conservative government led by Kim Campbell.
Mr. Mulroney met Mr. Schreiber at a hotel in Mirabel, Que., in August of 1993, while he was still a member of Parliament, and received the first of three $100,000 cash payments.
"Oh, he was very happy and said, 'Thank you,' " Mr. Schreiber said of that exchange. "He didn't bargain with me. There was no room for any bargaining."
Opposition MPs questioned the appropriateness of Mr. Mulroney's decision to accept cash, even though Mr. Mulroney had not asked to be paid that way.
"Mr. Mulroney's main line of defence is, 'Oh darn, what a terrible mistake I made. I took $300,000 in three separate cash payments,' " NDP MP Thomas Mulcair said. "A mistake is something you do once, not something you keep repeating."
Mr. Mulroney has refused to comment before his appearance, where he plans to be accompanied by his wife and their four children.
When the federal government alleged wrongdoing against Mr. Mulroney in 1995 in relation to Air Canada's 1988 purchase of Airbus planes, Mr. Mulroney launched a defamation lawsuit and obtained a $2.1-million settlement to cover his costs.
During that lawsuit, Mr. Mulroney was asked whether he "maintain[ed] contact with Mr. Schreiber" after leaving office.
"From time to time, not very often. When he was going through Montreal, he would give me a call. We would have a cup of coffee, I think, once or twice," Mr. Mulroney answered, without revealing the cash deals.
In 1997, Mr. Mulroney distanced himself from Mr. Schreiber in an interview with author William Kaplan.
"I knew Schreiber in a peripheral way. He was associated in my mind with the Alberta Progressive Conservatives. That was the limited extent to which I knew anything about him," Mr. Mulroney said, while adding he was aware of Mr. Schreiber's connection to Bear Head.
The existence of the cash deals only came to public light in The Globe and Mail in 2003.
"Canadians still want to know why Mr. Mulroney accepted the cash, I think it's a very legitimate question," Conservative MP and parliamentary secretary Russ Hiebert told reporters.
Speaking to reporters, Mr. Schreiber said he has nothing to say to Mr. Mulroney and wants only to be refunded the $300,000 - "plus interest" - because Mr. Mulroney allegedly did not perform the agreed work on Bear Head.
Mr. Schreiber is fighting extradition to Germany, where he is wanted on charges of fraud, tax evasion and bribery.
$25,000 in airfares paid for supporters, Schreiber testifies
DANIEL LEBLANC AND GREG MCARTHUR
December 12, 2007
The Globe and Mail
OTTAWA, TORONTO -- Supporters of Brian Mulroney received funds from German business and political sources in their 1983 campaign to bring down then Progressive Conservative leader Joe Clark, Karlheinz Schreiber said yesterday in his fourth appearance before the House of Commons ethics committee.
The German-Canadian businessman and lobbyist was quizzed at length on his financial links with Mr. Mulroney, laying the groundwork for the former prime minister's testimony tomorrow on Parliament Hill.
Mr. Schreiber said he paid about $25,000 to fly anti-Clark delegates to the 1983 Conservative convention in Winnipeg.
He said the money came from German politician Franz Josef Strauss and the Christian Social Union, a right-wing party in the state of Bavaria.
Mr. Schreiber said he worked at the time with pro-Mulroney officials such as former Newfoundland premier Frank Moores.
"The money came from myself and from the Strauss family and probably from the Christian Social Union," Mr. Schreiber said.
Mr. Schreiber said in previous testimony to the committee that he was a fundraiser for Mr. Strauss, who was then premier of Bavaria and chairman of Airbus Industries. Mr. Strauss died in 1988.
Although Mr. Clark received the support of 66.9 per cent of delegates in Winnipeg, he resigned and called a leadership race, which Mr. Mulroney won later that year.
While Mr. Mulroney was prime minister, from 1984 to 1993, Mr. Schreiber and Mr. Moores lobbied the federal government on behalf of three major European clients, including Airbus.
A letter raised at yesterday's hearing suggested that Mr. Schreiber met Mr. Mulroney at least three months before he stepped down as prime minister to discuss a plan by Thyssen AG to set up a light-armoured-vehicle plant in Canada.
In the letter to Mr. Mulroney dated March 16, 1993, Mr. Schreiber said he discussed the so-called Bear Head project at a meeting with Mr. Mulroney and then-minister Elmer MacKay at an official federal residence.
"You were dealing with Mulroney and with his government on the question of Thyssen, right?" Liberal MP Robert Thibault asked Mr. Schreiber.
"Sure. It was my job," Mr. Schreiber replied.
Mr. Schreiber has alleged that on June 23, 1993, two days before Mr. Mulroney resigned as prime minister, the pair struck a deal under which Mr. Mulroney would promote the Thyssen project with the next government, which they hoped would be a majority Conservative government led by Kim Campbell.
Mr. Mulroney met Mr. Schreiber at a hotel in Mirabel, Que., in August of 1993, while he was still a member of Parliament, and received the first of three $100,000 cash payments.
"Oh, he was very happy and said, 'Thank you,' " Mr. Schreiber said of that exchange. "He didn't bargain with me. There was no room for any bargaining."
Opposition MPs questioned the appropriateness of Mr. Mulroney's decision to accept cash, even though Mr. Mulroney had not asked to be paid that way.
"Mr. Mulroney's main line of defence is, 'Oh darn, what a terrible mistake I made. I took $300,000 in three separate cash payments,' " NDP MP Thomas Mulcair said. "A mistake is something you do once, not something you keep repeating."
Mr. Mulroney has refused to comment before his appearance, where he plans to be accompanied by his wife and their four children.
When the federal government alleged wrongdoing against Mr. Mulroney in 1995 in relation to Air Canada's 1988 purchase of Airbus planes, Mr. Mulroney launched a defamation lawsuit and obtained a $2.1-million settlement to cover his costs.
During that lawsuit, Mr. Mulroney was asked whether he "maintain[ed] contact with Mr. Schreiber" after leaving office.
"From time to time, not very often. When he was going through Montreal, he would give me a call. We would have a cup of coffee, I think, once or twice," Mr. Mulroney answered, without revealing the cash deals.
In 1997, Mr. Mulroney distanced himself from Mr. Schreiber in an interview with author William Kaplan.
"I knew Schreiber in a peripheral way. He was associated in my mind with the Alberta Progressive Conservatives. That was the limited extent to which I knew anything about him," Mr. Mulroney said, while adding he was aware of Mr. Schreiber's connection to Bear Head.
The existence of the cash deals only came to public light in The Globe and Mail in 2003.
"Canadians still want to know why Mr. Mulroney accepted the cash, I think it's a very legitimate question," Conservative MP and parliamentary secretary Russ Hiebert told reporters.
Speaking to reporters, Mr. Schreiber said he has nothing to say to Mr. Mulroney and wants only to be refunded the $300,000 - "plus interest" - because Mr. Mulroney allegedly did not perform the agreed work on Bear Head.
Mr. Schreiber is fighting extradition to Germany, where he is wanted on charges of fraud, tax evasion and bribery.