[Aplus23]

Who argued against TSP? Not me; I argued against a 4.7B LRT, one that will be 10B if there are substantial grade separation elements.



Excuse me? I've been advocating for more and better transit for decades. You will not tell me how its done or to do what I'm already doing.

You will stand aside and let me help make good things happen by killing bad ideas and freeing up the money to do them.

I'm sorry I didn't know you make the ultimate transit decisions around here and whatever you say goes, lol like pardon. we are both here advocating for higher order transit, one that the city is already well underway of studying. I'm not telling you what to do just like you shouldn't tell me what to do. As a Scarborough resident, I'm advocating for something that would be beneficial to Scarborough.

No, it would not.

The math has already been done and is public, go read it.

The math is what decades old now? Does the math indicate potential growth along the corridor in the future ? Did the math include TSP along the line ?

you seem to be on a high horse because you may have inside knowledge, regardless of your knowledge this line is being studied and has its detractors and its advocates and for you say this would be a waste is highly debatable irregardless of how you may feel. The city is advancing this for a reason is it not, lol the gall of you lol

 

[Thaboss]

I'm sorry I didn't know you make the ultimate transit decisions around here and whatever you say goes, lol like pardon. we are both here advocating for higher order transit, one that the city is already well underway of studying. I'm not telling you what to do just like you shouldn't tell me what to do. As a Scarborough resident, I'm advocating for something that would be beneficial to Scarborough.

The math is what decades old now? Does the math indicate potential growth along the corridor in the future ? Did the math include TSP along the line ?

you seem to be on a high horse because you may have inside knowledge, regardless of your knowledge this line is being studied and has its detractors and its advocates and for you say this would be a waste is highly debatable irregardless of how you may feel. The city is advancing this for a reason is it not, lol the gall of you lol

Eeh

I get why you feel that northern lights sounds entitled but they have been for years advocating for better transit for years, have a track record of accurate insider information. And while that doesnt mean you have to agree with what they say, it must be said that when it comes to EELRT, broad consensus is that the plan sucks. Even with TSP.


Believe me. As one Scarborough resident to another, we can and should do better here. EELRT is a bad plan tho I very much wish it wasnt.

 

[Aplus23]

Scarborough is getting new stations at Lawrence, STC and Sheppard/McCowan; Stouffille GO and Lakeshore will be near-subways within a few years, and Sheppard is heading east and will add several stations.

There's even more coming...........but you'll learn about that in due course.

my gripe was east of McCowan and the lack of transit infrastructure from there, Yes ino about the upcoming stations along McCowan seeing how I am a Scarborough resident and frequent this board daily.
I hope Sheppard does get extended east as furthest as possible & West to integrate with line 1

 

[Northern Light]

I'm sorry I didn't know you make the ultimate transit decisions around here and whatever you say goes, lol like pardon.

Your sarcasm to one side, I don't make the ultimate transit decisions UT, whatever those are........

What I do is reply to people who know very little about transit, or the project for which they are advocating, have done little or no homework and the temerity to
tell any who has that they know better, when they clearly do not.

we are both here advocating for higher order transit, one that the city is already well underway of studying. I'm not telling you what to do just like you shouldn't tell me what to do.

Actually you did tell me what to do, that's exactly what you did.

As a Scarborough resident, I'm advocating for something that would be beneficial to Scarborough.

You may be a Scarborough resident, but you are not advocating for a project benficial to Scarborough, but rather one detrimental to Scarborough because it would siphon off money needed to do much better things for Scarborough.

The math is what decades old now?

Decades? No.

3 years.

https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2023/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-241047.pdf

This is the most useful part:

That's right, a ridership decrease over the base case.

Does the math indicate potential growth along the corridor in the future ? Did the math include TSP along the line ?

Read it for yourself.

you seem to be on a high horse because you may have inside knowledge,

I'm not on a high horse, but yes, I do have inside knowledge.

regardless of your knowledge this line is being studied and has its detractors and its advocates and for you say this would be a waste is highly debatable irregardless of how you may feel. The city is advancing this for a reason is it not, lol the gall of you lol

I have no idea what you were attempting to say at the end there.........; but I happen to be right, and you'll see that in due course.

Also, always good to remember that 'studying' a project right before an election is very different than building it after.

 

[Aplus23]

He never said TSP was a waste of money, but that Bad public transit projects which waste money are not what we should be building. How does this line provide any new connections to etobicoke or north york? busses already connect east Scarborough to points west, no slower than the lrt would. it will actually require more transfers than exist today going from Sheppard east of McCowan to north york centre with this line than it is with existing busses. A line that is slower than the existing alternatives is not going to be driving significant new ridership

I'm at Jane and Finch now, if Sheppard is extended both directions to McCowan to meet with the LRT then I could go from Morningside to Jane and Finch without even using a bus or diverting to STC, does that not provide new connections to York/ Etobicoke and lines 1 n 2 ?

 

[Aplus23]

Your sarcasm to one side, I don't make the ultimate transit decisions UT, whatever those are........

What I do is reply to people who know very little about transit, or the project for which they are advocating, have done little or no homework and the temerity to
tell any who has that they know better, when they clearly do not.



Actually you did tell me what to do, that's exactly what you did.



You may be a Scarborough resident, but you are not advocating for a project benficial to Scarborough, but rather one detrimental to Scarborough because it would siphon off money needed to do much better things for Scarborough.



Decades? No.

3 years.

https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2023/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-241047.pdf

This is the most useful part:

View attachment 731495

That's right, a ridership decrease over the base case.



Read it for yourself.



I'm not on a high horse, but yes, I do have inside knowledge.



I have no idea what you were attempting to say at the end there.........; but I happen to be right, and you'll see that in due course.

Also, always good to remember that 'studying' a project right before an election is very different than building it after.

May I ask what would be your transit plan for Scarborough?
What would be a better alternative?
Why was this route/corridor even chosen to begin with then ?

 

[Aplus23]

my gripe was east of McCowan and the lack of transit infrastructure from there, Yes ino about the upcoming stations along McCowan seeing how I am a Scarborough resident and frequent this board daily.
I hope Sheppard does get extended east as furthest as possible & West to integrate with line 1

To say it is a bad plan is... I unno I'll let y'all fuss over that, I do believe that there are too many stops as currently designed, so improvements can be made, I've also spent the last 5 yrs reading how Finch and the crosstown would be glorified streetcars and a waste of money from many posts around here and both those lines are doing that they're intended to do now that they're up and running. With the line meeting or exceeding expectations in many cases, not all

 

[KhalilHeron]

I'm at Jane and Finch now, if Sheppard is extended both directions to McCowan to meet with the LRT then I could go from Morningside to Jane and Finch without even using a bus or diverting to STC, does that not provide new connections to York/ Etobicoke and lines 1 n 2 ?

is there any benefit other than not needing to use a bus? If the bus can already get you there faster than the LRT... than thats not a new connection. new rail connection sure, and there are some inherent benefits of rail over busses, but those benefits don't hold much weight with this project, to me at least

 

[Aplus23]

is there any benefit other than not needing to use a bus? If the bus can already get you there faster than the LRT... than thats not a new connection. new rail connection sure, and there are some inherent benefits of rail over busses, but those benefits don't hold much weight with this project, to me at least

I guess that's where the disconnect lies, rail connection seems like an absolutely better choice than busses, which should free up busses for other routes as well, also Is it for certain that busses are faster than LRTs?

 

[Northern Light]

I'm at Jane and Finch now, if Sheppard is extended both directions to McCowan to meet with the LRT then I could go from Morningside to Jane and Finch without even using a bus or diverting to STC, does that not provide new connections to York/ Etobicoke and lines 1 n 2 ?

The above requires Sheppard to happen. Its Sheppard (Line 4) that does the heavy lifting)

 

[Northern Light]

May I ask what would be your transit plan for Scarborough?

You can ask.

I will tell you that I support Line 4 being extended in both directions.

I will tell you that I support GO service on the LSE and Stouffville being upgraded to every 15M or better, + express services.

I will tell you I support a rapid transit option that would serve UTSC, just not the EELRT for that purpose.

I also support RapidTO (exclusive BRT lanes, or priority lanes), plus advanced, aggressive TSP and better service levels on key major corridors, such as Eglinton, Kingston, Lawrence, Finch, Victoria Park and Markham.

And something else............. stay tuned.

What would be a better alternative?

See above

Why was this route/corridor even chosen to begin with then ?

This route option originates both with a desire to serve UTSC, but also when a Line 4 extension was not on the table.

It originated with David Miller's Transit City vision, that also included Jane and Don Mills.

It had additional goals of appearing to be equal across the geography of the City and promoting real estate development along the corridor, in part with beautification of Kingston Road, which could be done while keeping the route BRT.

 

[Voltz]

I will tell you that I support Line 4 being extended in both directions.

So where’s the data supporting this being a worthwhile project that doesn’t take away from other needed lines? If there has ever been a ridership study that showed the Sheppard Subway is required then it would be getting trotted out every chance there is.

 

[JSF-1]

Stouffille GO and Lakeshore will be near-subways within a few years,

Yea my apologies if I don't believe this part one bit. We've been burned far to many times by Metrolinx to trust that there is any sort of service improvement coming to any GO line in Scarborough or the rest of the GTA for that matter. They have been at it for 10 years and what do they have to show for it? Not a single power sub-station has been built, not a single catenary poll installed, not a single inch of catenary wire strung up, not a single electric vehicle purchased. What they do have to show for it is running off DB through what is arguably borderline sabotage, re-branding RER to some GO 2.0 nonsense, and potentially scaling down the project to "deliver the minimum". I to want my end of the city to have better transit but we need to accept the fact that GO won't be part of that because GO electrification is being handled by an incompetent organization run by pigs with their noses in the trough who are far more content with maintaining the status quo. The future of Scarborough's transit cannot be hitched to the RER wagon when the organization involved with delivering it has fumbled it to such a degree that if electrification ever happens it will be half-assed and a far cry from what was promised 10 years ago.

 

[Northern Light]

Yea my apologies if I don't believe this part one bit. We've been burned far to many times by Metrolinx to trust that there is any sort of service improvement coming to any GO line in Scarborough or the rest of the GTA for that matter. They have been at it for 10 years and what do they have to show for it? Not a single power sub-station has been built, not a single catenary poll installed, not a single inch of catenary wire strung up, not a single electric vehicle purchased. What they do have to show for it is running off DB through what is arguably borderline sabotage, re-branding RER to some GO 2.0 nonsense, and potentially scaling down the project to "deliver the minimum". I to want my end of the city to have better transit but we need to accept the fact that GO won't be part of that because GO electrification is being handled by an incompetent organization run by pigs with their noses in the trough who are far more content with maintaining the status quo. The future of Scarborough's transit cannot be hitched to the RER wagon when the organization involved with delivering it has fumbled it to such a degree that if electrification ever happens it will be half-assed and a far cry from what was promised 10 years ago.

Electrification is not required for the schedules I just stated, 15 minute frequencies for base service, with express on top, is feasible with existing locomotives and rollingstock.

Now if you want sub-10M, that would likely require electrification, and/or DMUs may be feasible.

 

[Thaboss]

So where’s the data supporting this being a worthwhile project that doesn’t take away from other needed lines? If there has ever been a ridership study that showed the Sheppard Subway is required then it would be getting trotted out every chance there is.

Source: City of Toronto https://share.google/qg5NhtHJYgAEkqxCl

Sheppard Subway Extension

Seeking community input to extend rapid transit along Sheppard Avenue both east and west.

www.metrolinx.com

Sheppard line extension is in active development and is undoubtedly going to be more than just studies before the next provincial election would be my guess.

And as a Scarborough resident would absolutly prefer that exstension to malvern over any EELRT assuming that those are the options.