MacLac
Senior Member
Ambitious for sure….but this a clear example of a massive bankruptcy in the making…….
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Offworld
Active Member
Significant problems, how? This is done all over the world, separate (and usually attached) elevator cores, separate entrances.
Barnaby
Senior Member
Not really. Stantec is a North American anomaly which was incredibly ambitious. Tall towers stray from mixed use in MOST situations for a reason. Vancouver has Shangri-La, Edmonton has Stantec, New York has 35 Hudson Yards.
Multiple elevator banks are needed unless you go with sky lobbies, but then you're mixing residential with hotel guests, which isn't generally acceptable. What would really happen is dedicated elevator banks for the different uses (like Stantec and Marriot). Sounds great until you realize what this does for usable square footage.
Offworld
Active Member
Ummm, what? Vancouver has several, as do Toronto, Chicago, NYC in droves.
This is getting tiresome.
Barnaby
Senior Member
Vancouver doesn't have a single building as tall as Stantec. New York has two buildings taller than the Stantec which meet this criteria of mixed use with a hotel component, one of which I already named. Toronto has three.
Atleast address my point on the elevator issue if you disagree with basic facts. It's an extremely well known problem with very tall mixed use towers.
The people which actually have to build these towers will agree with me. It's tough thing to make work in the best markets.
Atleast address my point on the elevator issue if you disagree with basic facts. It's an extremely well known problem with very tall mixed use towers.
The people which actually have to build these towers will agree with me. It's tough thing to make work in the best markets.
IanO
Superstar
I'd have to agree here and while mixed-use exist the world over, they are expensive, net $ generating areas lower and complex.
Offworld
Active Member
Did you say anything about what the "extremely well known problems" with elevators actually are? I must have glossed over that.
And I'd suggest getting out to see a bit more of the world to understand that mixed-use towers aren't somehow as rare as unicorn tears. Do you think that Stantec was somehow ground-breaking in concept and construct?
Here's one for starters, with retail, office, 44th level grocery store, apartments and observation deck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hancock_Center
And just a couple of the MANY present in Vancouver: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Tower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairmont_Pacific_Rim
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IanO
Superstar
Can someone explain this to me at 12:45 on a nice summers day Downtown?
Barnaby
Senior Member
There is too much separation of residential and commercial downtown. Who in an office tower will walk to 104th on lunch when they can end up at Bianco faster?
I bet these patios are being used at this very moment (8:26 PM) by people living within a 5-10 minute walk.
IanO
Superstar
Hardly and when I left at 715pm, not really, no.
Barnaby
Senior Member
Kelly's was slammed Sunday night fwiw.
Bottom line is that we need more bedrooms DT.
Bottom line is that we need more bedrooms DT.
Kosy123
Senior Member
Even as office hours ramp up, downtown foot traffic is slow to rebound
Recovery of activity in urban cities has flatlined despite stricter return-to-work mandates
www.theglobeandmail.com
We weren't included in this but foot traffic rebpund trends in downtowns across Canada have stagnated. This is all office foot traffic, for some reason Environics didn't include retail and residential foot traffic. The future of our downtown is going to be tied to non-office traffic, so students, retail, hospitality and increased residents.
johnnyboy
Active Member
Not everyone can afford $22 burgers and $11.50 pints midweek as often as they'd like to anymore.
johnnyboy
Active Member
for those without a subscription: https://archive.ph/k52nAEven as office hours ramp up, downtown foot traffic is slow to rebound
Recovery of activity in urban cities has flatlined despite stricter return-to-work mandates
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We weren't included in this but foot traffic rebpund trends in downtowns across Canada have stagnated. This is all office foot traffic, for some reason Environics didn't include retail and residential foot traffic. The future of our downtown is going to be tied to non-office traffic, so students, retail, hospitality and increased residents.
itom987
Active Member
Government agencies and some businesses are still allowing workers to work from home. I went to the Alberta safety codes office two days ago after reading online that the office was open to the public but found out that I had to make a call and reserve a time to meet. Only to find out that the person who could deal with me was working from home that day. Like WTF, I wasted $5 on parking downtown just to be given the runaround.