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In TO, they balance the budget because they have to. Section 290 of the Municipal Act states that every annual budget has to be balanced.

While I don't doubt that good debt is good, any debt is illegal in Ontario.

We have to address that before we can get anywhere

I am not sure that debt is illegal in Ontario but deficits are. A municipality can borrow money but they have to ensure that their annual budget includes enough revenue to meet their obligations....in fact right in section 290 it says that they have to include debt payments in their budget. I could be wrong (I often am) but that is how I read it.
 
In theory debt for capital expenditures is not bad at all. However, after casually observing our political system for a decade I have formed the opinion that government is not adept at managing long-term commitments of any nature. So I think my and perhaps the majority opinion in this country is that taking on debt is unwise. Have we swung too far the other way? Has our rigidity on this subject become illogical? Perhaps.

If you step back in essence we have been living off our infrastructure capital for decades which is just debt of a different nature. In doing so we have avoided exposing the real truth that a certain unnamed expense (public healthcare) is spiraling out of control.
 
In Economics terms, during a Recession you should spend money to get out of it (i.e. deficit spending), and druing a Boom you should have surpluses. At least that's what I remember from Intro Economics back in University, years ago.

Recently we've been told "deficits are BAD". So I think we are conditioned to think that, even though it's not necessarily true. Same goes for debts, we think they're bad, but if you're building a subway line I think it's ok to go into debt for that. Toronto has debt I believe. I know Mississauga does not.
 
Canada has been well-served by its cultural swing towards strict fiscal management in the mid 90s. We have a pretty strong fiscal position, after having been on the verge of fiscal meltdown in 1994. However, I'd argue that our militant anti-debt stance is not a very good policy. I think the restraint this has forced on governments has been good in large part, but has lead to underinvestment in some areas, particularly infrastructure. For this reason, I'd rather see the senior governments funnel surpluses into infrastructure spending (which usually takes so long to flow that it kicks in during recessions). I'm not an accountant, but it would also seem intelligent to budget for such investments differently. Amortizing these costs over 15 years would make politicians more likely to invest in them: they get the credit for it up front, without laying all the cash down immediately.
 
In Economics terms, during a Recession you should spend money to get out of it (i.e. deficit spending), and druing a Boom you should have surpluses. At least that's what I remember from Intro Economics back in University, years ago.

Recently we've been told "deficits are BAD". So I think we are conditioned to think that, even though it's not necessarily true. Same goes for debts, we think they're bad, but if you're building a subway line I think it's ok to go into debt for that. Toronto has debt I believe. I know Mississauga does not.

You are referring to Keynesian economics, or counter-cyclical spending. I agree with you this is an excellent idea. Unfortunately, this might also lead to governments who can't run surpluses when the times are good (city of Toronto) and get addicted to spending.

That being said, as we enter this current economic downturn, perhaps, we should consider spending on our infrastructure backlog, not just for roads and subways, but for things like water treatment, hospitals, schools, universities, etc.
 
I wonder if the city could fund construction by allowing the TTC to sell corporate bonds tied to the new subway lines as assets.
 
I'm not sure a subway line would mean much as collateral. If we wanted to sell bonds to build subways, the city could easily do this through its capital budget as is.
 
Recently we've been told "deficits are BAD". So I think we are conditioned to think that, even though it's not necessarily true. Same goes for debts, we think they're bad, but if you're building a subway line I think it's ok to go into debt for that. Toronto has debt I believe. I know Mississauga does not.


The main problem with deficit spending is that you spend a ton of money building stuff thinking it will lead to an economic boom.

People however forget an economic boom requires even more government spending and you still have to pay a lot of money to maintain infrastructure...


AND!!!

The added interest on the debt.

This usually erases the savings and unless the government is run well (unlike the city of Toronto), you will likely still be in debt.


However spending all surpluses on infrastructure is a great idea.
 
Debt might be more effective than a carbon tax in the near term...

PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL
IDN: 082520125
DATE: 2008.09.08
PAGE: A17
BYLINE: TOM KENT
SECTION: Comment
EDITION: Metro
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WORDS: 752
WORD COUNT: 787

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SUSTAINING INCOMES AND JOBS Let's think modern infrastructure, not carbon tax

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TOM KENT Served as principal assistant to prime minister Lester Pearson Campaigning politicians are already promising Band-Aids for some voters, but no national policy on offer in this election will safeguard most people's incomes and jobs. A carbon tax will be hotly debated; within a few years, it'll be unavoidable. To dismiss it is to ignore humanity's sharpest problem. But to make it the centrepiece of an election platform is to ignore the troubles of Canadians.

A true "green shift" is as essential when oil is dear as when it was cheap. Nevertheless, how to make it has to be fitted to circumstances.

A decade ago, a carbon tax would have been a far-sighted measure; it will be again, in an improved economy. Today, we have to hope that the U.S. recession will not cut as deep, or last as long, as tumbling banks and declining employment indicate. Even so, from Winnipeg eastward, there will be fewer of the current jobs. This is not the occasion for a new tax to further cramp the economy.

Our peril is that politicians are ill-prepared with measures to sustain income and employment. The deficits of the 1980s have frightened them. Politicians in office proclaim that a "fundamentally sound" economy is not for interfering. Politicians in opposition cry havoc at the threat of any budget deficit but dare not champion expansionary policies.

All this inhibits the kind of sensible action that is effective if promptly taken. The need is for public investment. It is to undertake infrastructure projects that green the economy, that strengthen it, and that employ people now. They are not current budget expenditures but investments to be amortized over a conservatively projected useful life.

Ottawa's role in infrastructure is complicated because the loudest calls for federal money come from big cities demanding help for transit and much else. This is capital in federal accounting only if loans are made to, or guaranteed by, provincial governments, and we should be wary of adding more complications to federal-provincial finances. But there is no need to. There is all too much neglected infrastructure that comes within Ottawa's own jurisdiction. It includes work that should be at the forefront of action to lessen our emissions.

One major need is to create a power grid linking Canada's energy resources from sea to sea. Quebec's and Manitoba's hydro could quickly relieve Ontario's energy shortage. More could then be done to free the country as a whole from reliance on polluting fuels, and the scope for developing wind and solar power would be broadened. Government partnership in the investments could accelerate private innovation.

In any event, this greening of the economy would call for substantial employment of the kind needed to replace lost manufacturing jobs.

So would another greening development. Federal politicians long ago saw the building of the railway as building the nation. Perversely, public funding has since provided highways for long-distance trucking, while railways have to carry their own infrastructure costs. Consequently, freight is being increasingly concentrated in mile-long trains carrying heavy, bulk materials for which trucks can't compete. For businesses requiring more frequent service, public policy has long been causing a shift to polluting transport. To undo that mistake is the green shift that fits our economy's condition.

We'll probably follow Europe and East Asia in having electrified lines for high-speed trains in our more congested areas. Meantime, much can be done to shift freight traffic and, incidentally, improve passenger service. There are many sections of line across Canada where an additional track could be laid on the existing right of way. More traffic could be moved faster to and from ports and between major centres. Better handling facilities could then make quick transfers of loads for short-distance truck haulage.

The ultimate size of the whole investment is all the more reason to begin it when extra employment and income are needed. Its financial forms can be flexible. Ottawa might directly own some of the new assets. For most, loans to provincial utilities, and to CN and CPR, would be appropriate. Some could be equity, giving the federal government a share in enhanced railway profits.

Modernizing our national infrastructures will powerfully supplement improvements in education and research and in much else that promotes skill and enterprise. But those are expenditures requiring current financing. This is the time for capital investments. The sooner they're made, the sooner a carbon tax will be appropriate in a stronger economy.
 
Perhaps a better strategy to discuss would be how to invest in infrastructure in the coming downturn and combine that with a green strategy.

Regardless of what happens with a carbon tax. Nothing works better than investing in infrastucture.

My idea:

1) Create a Transit Infrastructure Fund with a 20 year timeframe.
2) Divert all gas taxes into it.
3) Allow it to issue bonds against the assumed revenue stream for the above timeframe.
4) Use the cash to build transit well before 20 years.
5) Pay off the debt by the end of the 20 years.
 
IMHO, Relevant governments should just start selling off public assets (mainly, the 400 series HWYs). This is pure guess work, but I figure that a sell off of those highways could bring us at least 100b dollars. The private companies that inherit the routes would then charge tolls to cover the upkeep costs. Meanwhile, the proceeds of the sale could be channeled into a special fund (NOT general revenue). Half of the proceeds generated off of the money (which should be in the billions) could then be used to award design-build-operate contracts for various infrastructure progrmaintainenceams.

Everyone wins:

Lefties get toll roads, which would discourage some of the profligate driving patterns in the city.

Righties get "private sector involvement" in the government (and the private sector can't be wrong, can it?)

Government gets to leverage some of it's assets in order to build more assets.
 
IMHO, Relevant governments should just start selling off public assets (mainly, the 400 series HWYs). This is pure guess work, but I figure that a sell off of those highways could bring us at least 100b dollars. The private companies that inherit the routes would then charge tolls to cover the upkeep costs. Meanwhile, the proceeds of the sale could be channeled into a special fund (NOT general revenue). Half of the proceeds generated off of the money (which should be in the billions) could then be used to award design-build-operate contracts for various infrastructure progrmaintainenceams.

Everyone wins:

Lefties get toll roads, which would discourage some of the profligate driving patterns in the city.

Righties get "private sector involvement" in the government (and the private sector can't be wrong, can it?)

Government gets to leverage some of it's assets in order to build more assets.

Yeah this is definitely not a bad idea. A well written contract (not the 407 type) could definitely work in this regard, especially if its sold off to a non-for-profit consortium. And I note its similar to places like Austria where you need to buy a special sticker to drive on the highways. Perhaps uses a fixed fee instead of tolls....
 
Perhaps uses a fixed fee instead of tolls....

That's a bad idea. If the marginal cost is zero, it will do very little to discourage road usage, except making the poor stick to surface streets.
 

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