[AlvinofDiaspar]

The Liberals are arrogant whether in a minority or majority position. What did Gomery call it? Ah yes, "A culture of entitlement". Perfect.

Hmm, somehow a thought is brewing in mind on the issue of Gomery, the media and arrogance.

Ganja has it exactly right - it isn't about defending either party, but pointing out this whole false dictomy of image making - Liberals = bad, corrupt, arrogant; Conservatives = good, transparent, respectful.

AoD

 

[afransen TO]

"Are you suggesting that a minority government has no mandate to govern? Are you suggesting that Canada's government should only function and act in a majority situation?? A minority government is far more democratic than a majority dictatorship ever could be. Believe it or not we have actually had liberal minority governments too."

Not at all. I'm saying that a minority government ought to work through compromise and consensus building, not unilateralism and intimidation as Harper is doing.

 

[bizorky]

You guys are wasting your time and energy defending the Conservatives and Liberals... neither deserves defending... one is just as crooked as the other.

It's our time and energy to "waste."

A little deeper reading and it may be noted that there is more than strict party platforms being discussed here.

 

[tudararms]

Bizorky: "Nice to see you so willing to sell out to the American interests in this issue."

^ You caught me: I'm an agitator secretly sympathetic to U.S. interests. Come now, "compromise" is selling out?? We will have to agree to disagree on that one.


Bizorky: "So enjoy your partisanship. That's your right. But don't be so surprised if others have views that differ from your own; that's politics."

^It appears you don't understand the definition of partisanship.

Bizorky: "Oh, and as a note, never defend actions that are yet to be done. This has a nasty way of biting you back at a later date. That's the political lesson of the day. No essay required."

^Have you been reading fortune cookies in the liberal headquarters cafeteria? Instead, shouldn't liberal didactic crap read: "...never defend actions that are yet to be done...because there never will be any action to defend...blah, blah, blah."!

Bizorky: "If the Americans gave back four-fifths of the tariffs, does that mean they admit to being 80% wrong? Would that mean that the Canadian position was four-fifths correct? How does that sound to you?"

^Again, why don't you ponder those nuances and let us know what you decide. In the meantime, having resolved the issue to everybody's satisfaction, we'll move on to actually running the country!

Ganjah: "You guys are wasting your time and energy defending the Conservatives and Liberals... neither deserves defending... one is just as crooked as the other. "

^Ultimately I agree with you. It's just nice to hear a different perspective around here occassionally...even if it is my own.

 

[bizorky]

Have you been reading fortune cookies in the liberal headquarters cafeteria? Instead, shouldn't liberal didactic crap read: "...never defend actions that are yet to be done...because there never will be any action to defend...blah, blah, blah."!

Is that what is says in the fortune cookies? Have you been looking? Not being a member of that political party, I have no idea what is contained in these magined cookies. Your response is rather petulant.

It appears you don't understand the definition of partisanship.

So what is it?

Again, why don't you ponder those nuances and let us know what you decide. In the meantime, having resolved the issue to everybody's satisfaction, we'll move on to actually running the country!

That's not an answer, is it? You are simply avoiding giving an answer. Can you prove that everyone involved is actually "satisfied"? I have pointed our that a number of affected organizations, both in Canada and the United States, are not happy with the results. They will put up with them, but can hardly be described as being satisfied. To be blunt, the answer you provide satisfies only you.

 

[tudararms]

Bizorky: "Is that what is says in the fortune cookies? Have you been looking? Not being a member of that political party, I have no idea what is contained in these magined cookies. Your response is rather petulant"

^So now we're name calling! Afrensan called me a "bootlicker", and now I'm "petulant". Hmmmmm, Liberals on the ropes are not very nice! That said, spare me the pontification and 'warnings from the wise' and keep to debating the issues. I'll take my chances.

Bizorky: "That's not an answer, is it? You are simply avoiding giving an answer. Can you prove that everyone involved is actually "satisfied"? I have pointed our that a number of affected organizations, both in Canada and the United States, are not happy with the results. They will put up with them, but can hardly be described as being satisfied. To be blunt, the answer you provide satisfies only you.

^How can I even answer such a question? Prove that 100% of the people are 100% satisfied?? I mean, will that make you right? Does that make the handling of Softwood Lumber by the Conservatives a failure?? Is that what you want it to be at all cost? Sounds rather 'partisan' to me.

 

[bizorky]

So now we're name calling! Afrensan called me a "bootlicker", and now I'm "petulant". Hmmmmm, Liberals on the ropes are not very nice! That said, spare me the pontification and 'warnings from the wise' and keep to debating the issues. I'll take my chances.

I am not using the word "petulant" as a noun. It means irritable, or peevish. The word is being used as an indication of your manner. It is your stance that is petulant. But I guess that would fall under the category of being a "word from the wise." One should not be so tender when entering into political debates.

How can I even answer such a question? Prove that 100% of the people are 100% satisfied?? I mean, will that make you right? Does that make the handling of Softwood Lumber by the Conservatives a failure??

Funny, but that's the question I was asking: how could you possibly know "everyone" was satisfied?

Your original words are:

In the meantime, having resolved the issue to everybody's satisfaction, we'll move on to actually running the country!

It is you who claims that everybody is satisfied. I was questioning the accuracy of your statement. It would appear that you are not so sure after all.

Then again, if you like the deal so much, then maybe you ought to be applauding the Liberals. Pretty much all of the negotiations were carried out by them.

As for accusations of partisanship, allow me to quote your own words. Note the last sentence of yours:

Again, why don't you ponder those nuances and let us know what you decide. In the meantime, having resolved the issue to everybody's satisfaction, we'll move on to actually running the country!

"We'll" move on to governing the country? If you are going to accuse me of partisanship, then at least have the balls to not avoid your own all out declarartion. Why would sounding partisan be bad for me, but okay for you?

 

[billonlogan]

New poll leaves Tories out front but suggests support for majority is soft

Thursday, June 01, 2006

OTTAWA (CP) - A new poll by Decima Research suggests Canadians may be ready to give the Conservatives another federal mandate - but they're hesitant about a Tory majority.

The survey of more than 1,000 Canadians put support for Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservatives at 38 per cent nationally.

The Liberals trailed at 29 per cent, the NDP polled 21 per cent and the Bloc Quebecois was at eight per cent.

The survey, taken May 25-28, is considered accurate to within plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

Asked what outcome they would like to see in the next federal election, 43 per cent responded they want a Conservative victory. But only 30 per cent said they would like to see a Tory majority.

Alberta was the only province where more than half the respondents wanted a majority Conservative win, while Atlantic Canada, British Columbia and Ontario were noticeably cool to the idea, at 25 per cent or less.

© The Canadian Press 2006

 

[Abeja de Almirante]

Well, the Conservative budget passed budget passes unopposed in the House of Commons yesterday. www.cbc.ca/story/business...udget.html

For a minority government Harper's sure getting things done his way, usually with little interference from the opposition.

 

[bizorky]

^If you read the details, the reason the budget passed was by luck and opportunity. Opposition parties made a slight procedural error in parliament which allowed the government to call for the passing of the third reading. No one should be sleeping at the wheel, even during a minority government.

 

[billonlogan]

 

[cdl42]

I think Billonlogan was trying to post this:

Awwwww... cuuuute...

 

[bizorky]

I wonder if he hid the kitties when McGuinty came to visit?

 

[babulahori]

The funny thing is,conservative voters are much more loyal to their party and arent prone to be traded than liberals/NDP.Maybe that has alot to do with the geographic region,size of communities and ethnic background of these voters but i am afraid,their parties agenda is as small as most of these populations supporting them!And that sort of scares minorities in bigger urban centers.
I bet that cat has proper immigration documents.

 

[Abeja de Almirante]

Maybe that has alot to do with the geographic region,size of communities and ethnic background of these voters but i am afraid,their parties agenda is as small as most of these populations supporting them!And that sort of scares minorities in bigger urban centers.

I think the immigrants and their descendants of the 1960s and 70s from Italy, Portugual, Spain, etc. would now populate the 905 will continue to vote Liberal, I suspect in loyalty to Trudeau's vision of Canada.

However, the Chinese and many Asian and Indian communities have no guaranteed love of the Liberals nor the NDP. The Chinese will appreciate the Conservatives' handling of the Head Tax matter (even though it's a bad idea, do we apologise to everyone now?). The Muslims, Sihks and others will support their stance on gay marriage.

But this is peanuts, the real CPC prize is in Quebec. To steal an old Reform slogan, the French want in. IMO, Quebecers have realized that as long as they continue to vote BQ they will never have representation at the cabinet table in Ottawa. However, they won't vote Liberal, after that party's Adscam mess, hatred of Trudeau and his successors, etc. So, now comes a real alternative, Harper's Conservatives.