MisterF
Senior Member
I guess two city departments using the same signage would make too much sense.
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TwoWheelPoli
Active Member
Thanks for the clarification. It's crazy how the City can't do consistent wayfinding across the board.
DSCToronto
Superstar
TO360 (run from Transportation) was supposed to set the standards. I actually attended a meeting where we discussed TTC signage based on the TO360 maps and standards. I think it was probably pre-covid and I have seen little evidence of new TTC wayfinding.
txlseries4
Active Member
So many small companies struggle with multiple related departments talking to each other or getting them to coordinate. That it happens in an organization with tens of thousands of employees who have historically worked in silos is completely unsurprising. It will take a lot of time and effort to untangle the systemic forces at play.
Full Metal Junkie
Active Member
And then there is this signage along the Sunnyside stretch of the Martin Goodman trail:
Now, you'd be forgiven if you didn't know there is any sort of signage along Martin Goodman west of downtown. Personally, I ride the trail almost every day for almost a decade and I only realized there is signage about 2 weeks ago for the first time (and was surprised to learn that the speed limit is 20 km/h for some inexplicable reason). And once I realized there is signage, I managed to spot quite a few of those signs along the trail. And the reason it took me almost 10 years to notice the signs? This is how they are presented to cyclists as they zoom past:
You guys want for various departments to coordinate their signage? How about they begin coordinating signage and tree planting locations to start? And we go from there. Baby steps.
dob467
Active Member
Is this what we're known for in the urban cycling world? I appreciate these barriers as a stop gap measure, but these can't be the permanent solution to building bike lanes.
DSCToronto
Superstar
In most cases they ARE interim and as streets are reconstructed the bike lanes get better and have more greenery. If one holds out for the 'perfect' immediately, one will end up with very little !
rbt
Senior Member
Beats waiting 30+ years for the next roadway rebuild to come around.
Also, IMO, the shape makes them more effective than what Sherbourne is stuck with.
TwoWheelPoli
Active Member
That and the post and ring bike parking stands!
NoahB
Active Member
They are being installed in many places, including Seattle.
This article describes how the Toronto Barriers are different.
From Seattle Bike Blog
The City also published the dimensions of their standard one too.
TwoWheelPoli
Active Member
Fellow bike blogger Jun Nogami shared a few pictures from the Harbord Street upgrades. I'll show one of the current status west of Grace.
jnyyz.wordpress.com
Harbord bike lane update
The Harbord bike lane upgrades are done from Queen’s Park Crescent to Grace. Here are a few pictures headed west. I’m not sure if these planters qualify as bioswales since I don’t…
jnyyz.wordpress.com
Full Metal Junkie
Active Member
CycleToronto - the group that successfully put a pause on the dismantling of bike lanes by the Province - are organizing a bike ride / protest this evening to mark the one year anniversary of Bill 212:
dob467
Active Member
Those post-and-ring bike racks I love! I also don't want the Sherbourne design where cars can so easily park in them. Ideally the University lanes should be the prototype, of course they can't be built everywhere. We'll have to see if those "Toronto" bike lanes show up elsewhere lolThat and the post and ring bike parking stands!
DSCToronto
Superstar
I was a member of the Construction Advisory Committee for the Sherbourne bike lanes a decade or so ago. Some of the bike lanes on Sherbourne/Lower Sherbourne are basically on the same level as the road, some are raised and there is a real curb. Ideally all would have been raised but the City only had $$ to do the raised ones where they were already reconstructing the road and/or moving catch basins. We supported creating a situation with a mixture so that it would be 'easy' to upgrade the level sections as opportunities arose and some have been improved since.
pawlyshyn
New Member
Well, we know now that even the raised-curb sections do not provide effective separation and safety, and are pretty much just an invitation to drivers to pull over there while they pick up their coffee/Uber passenger or make their delivery.