sixrings
Senior Member
Somehow I wonder if super Italian Vaughan simply doesn’t want Brampton riders in their area.
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FullMetalEngineer
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They're going to get even more Brampton drivers clogging their streets with no rapid alternatives. They're asking for the worst case consequences in Vaughan to amplify. We need to keep as many Transit riders as possible continuously riding on transit and not all switching over to vehicles.
Zum with hour long delays in traffic holding off this plan will cripple highway 7 to a halt for all.
Most of the Brampton riders are getting off at Vaughan Metropolitan Center, away from Vaughan drivers to their advantage under this logic.
Those underused VIVA BRT lanes would be put to proper use for a change and subsidized by more user fares than taxes.
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innsertnamehere
Superstar
The BRT would run through a constrained section of Highway 7 which currently operates at 4 lanes compared to 6 lanes across the rest of the road in Vaughan.
It is extremely congested today as a result - one of, if not the most congested stretch of road in the City of Vaughan.
One of Del Duca's key election promises was to "fix" this by widening it to 6 lanes (Del Duca ran on a platform of major road expansion - Vaughan experiences some of the worst arterial road congestion in the GTA).
This conflicts with Metrolinx's BRT plans, as there is not enough space to do 6 lanes plus BRT.
We all know that Ford doesn't need to be told twice about transit "taking away" car lanes.
So it dies.
That said - I don't see why the Brampton portion can't proceed. At least the Downtown Brampton to Bramalea section would be helpful as it is relatively congested today and could use dedicated facilities. Between Bramalea and Vaughan, traffic generally moves better (or at least it used years ago when I frequented the area).
ShonTron
Moderator
That’s exactly it. Vaughan is the greasy wheel that gets whatever it desires.
FullMetalEngineer
Active Member
Brampton Council spoke on this in private session. This Wednesday I'm told they might mention it on camera.
The Brampton Budget has already passed for 2025 so I'm not sure how they can keep this going themselves, they honestly shouldn't have to.
Prabmeet Sarkaria needs to give us answers. This BRT goes through his riding. How long is this suspension? Indefinitely?
planning shouldn't be an excessive amount of money they're saving with a suspension.
The Brampton Budget has already passed for 2025 so I'm not sure how they can keep this going themselves, they honestly shouldn't have to.
Prabmeet Sarkaria needs to give us answers. This BRT goes through his riding. How long is this suspension? Indefinitely?
planning shouldn't be an excessive amount of money they're saving with a suspension.
JJTheJetPln
Active Member
Sounds like it's going to be suspended indefinitely until they need to be voted back in again.
Northern Light
Superstar
Its toast, its not toast, its done, its happening...........from the Donald Trump school of Public Policy........ Transit Planning as Tariffs:
From the above:
reinventingthewheel
Active Member
Brilliant, send it south on 50 to Steeles and dodge Vaughan altogether.
FullMetalEngineer
Active Member
I reached out to Brampton connections to obtain some clarity on what's happening with the Queen BRT project, this is what's happening from Brampton Transit in the screenshot attached, Brampton side is moving forward business as usual with provincial support and we are reading too much into Vaughan's drama impacting our city.
I was told by the same source that the BRT drama in Vaughan is due to their city refusing to pay for a bridge. I don't know the details of the bridge, but I'm guessing the rail bridge near Islington? Others please chime in if any better idea.
As per the message below Metrolinx is giving Brampton a project status update this April we should monitor.
I was told by the same source that the BRT drama in Vaughan is due to their city refusing to pay for a bridge. I don't know the details of the bridge, but I'm guessing the rail bridge near Islington? Others please chime in if any better idea.
As per the message below Metrolinx is giving Brampton a project status update this April we should monitor.
JJTheJetPln
Active Member
So it's just Vaughan stirring the pot and thinking they can speak for everyone.
Glad to know ML is still on board with the project.
Edit re: Bridge - I had to look over what bridge they're referring to, but I also believe it's the same bridge that is around Hwy 7 / Islington. It sounds to me like they're going to want to expand the roadway for those BRT lanes, but will have to work with CPKC who own that section. Chances are that if they do plan to work with CPKC, they're going to expect similar work akin to what the HMLRT did for the tunnel under the QEW (Pushbox requiring significant manpower, 55 hours of work as opposed to multiple weeks / months, etc).
Glad to know ML is still on board with the project.
Edit re: Bridge - I had to look over what bridge they're referring to, but I also believe it's the same bridge that is around Hwy 7 / Islington. It sounds to me like they're going to want to expand the roadway for those BRT lanes, but will have to work with CPKC who own that section. Chances are that if they do plan to work with CPKC, they're going to expect similar work akin to what the HMLRT did for the tunnel under the QEW (Pushbox requiring significant manpower, 55 hours of work as opposed to multiple weeks / months, etc).
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Wm Perkins Bull
Active Member
Vaughan probably wants to go from 4 general lanes to 6 general lanes and the dedicated bus lanes, to which MX says "if we are doing a non transit road widening as part of this, you have to pay your fair share." Vaughan of course thinks everything should be free for them.
Allandale25
Senior Member
Noted on the "Global Transit & Infrastructure Centre" Discord server, GTHA thread. Good on a reporter for asking about this project and not one of the usual questions about Crosstown/Finch delays, etc.
"Queen-Hwy 7 BRT question at the West Harbour GO announcement. Timemarked link includes question and answer"
2323
New Member
Not sure why everyone is solely blaming this one on Vaughan- it's worth noting that Highway 7 is a regional road, and is York Region's responsibility.
reinventingthewheel
Active Member
This would be unnecessary, there is sufficient surrounding space to construct a new bridge immediately next to the existing one while it is live. And if Metrolinx is serious about a Bolton Line, consider pitching in to twin the new bridge once they demolish the original.
ARG1
Senior Member
From my understanding of internal York Region politics, cities do have a significant amount of sway over what happens to their section of road. Unless 6 lane Highway 7 was part of some larger master plan that York Region is dead set on accomplishing, I think its reasonable enough to put the blame directly on Vaughan.