LoMein
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Like where? Lots of townhomes being built in new suburbs but I've never seen stacked townhomes. Most of the stacked townhomes are from old developments like Liberty Village.
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Midtown Urbanist
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They indeed are. Most new subdivisions have a high density block and a medium density block within their plans, and those medium density blocks often end up being back-to-back townhomes or stacked townhomes (or occasionally, stacked, back-to-back townhomes).
I echo the comment that stacked townhomes are kinda the worst of both worlds, but I do still think there is a place for them within our housing typology. They are move-up homes that two condo dwellers might consider purchasing after having kids, for instance. One day in the future they may want to move up again to a detached or semi-detached home. Today, there are very few 'missing middle' typologies out there, so the binary choice of condo or detached home doesn't cover the full breadth of peoples housing needs.
The other way to create a greater supply of housing that fit the full breadth of peoples needs are to build up more suburban downtowns and centres with higher density development. I am thinking of places like Oakville and Burlington. They present perfect opportunities to build condos with larger average unit sizes and overall cheaper prices compared to Toronto. I believe if those urban centres are built up into something vibrant, livable, and walkable from the perspective of anti-suburbia Toronto condo dwellers, they will be more willing to accept the sacrifices of leaving downtown Toronto in exchange for the benefits of those smaller centres especially as they progress through different stages of life.
Undead
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The skinny three and four floor towns could be improved by reverting to the older, squat two floor format, but with minimal set backs and yards to maintain higher density. The older towns tend to have overly large setbacks.
This newer development on the outer edge of Brampton: https://www.google.com/maps/place/2...3d43.7585826!4d-79.7577197!14m1!1BCgIgARICCAI
I've also seen higher density back to back towns in Durham.
Stacks in North York Centre: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.774...4!1sMrV7hq-FQgASBJ4aYs2LWA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
I believe Aspen Ridge's "Scenic on Eglinton" at Eglinton and Leslie has over 100 stacked towns.
This newer development on the outer edge of Brampton: https://www.google.com/maps/place/2...3d43.7585826!4d-79.7577197!14m1!1BCgIgARICCAI
I've also seen higher density back to back towns in Durham.
Stacks in North York Centre: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.774...4!1sMrV7hq-FQgASBJ4aYs2LWA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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LoMein
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Scenic on Eglinton is a condo development. Look at the towers above the "stacked towns". My condo has townhouses at the base as well but it's disingenuous to say this is a "stacked townhouse development". It wouldn't be economical to develop without the condo tower.
The Brampton ones are actual stacked townhomes. What an awful place to live...imo.
afransen
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Check out Churchill Meadows area of Mississauga, which was one of the latest areas to be filled in Mississauga. I think the Ninth Line lands are going to be developed with stacked townhouses. I've seen lots of it in Milton as well.
Undead
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Open Google streetview. I was referring to the townhouses beside the tower.
afransen
Senior Member
I would also advocate for narrower streets. Even some of the private streets in townhouse complexes are huge (presumably to accommodate fire engines). And while it is probably too early to be building houses without much parking, in a robotaxi future it is a waste of space to have a garage/driveway. I would expect people would want a ground-floor storage room/shed, but you could make the ground floor more usable.
ETA: I would say there is nothing wrong with three story townhomes. I would suggest they be a few feet wider (20' is reasonable, 24' would be great) and shallower. Less useless setbacks with narrower streets. They have to be marketable, but I would suggest including integrated ground floor storage at the rear (for bikes, etc.) and eliminate the garage/driveway and use group parking areas with dedicated spots as a bridge between now and when car ownership declines. That space can then be converted to open space or additional infill development.
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Midtown Urbanist
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Quite a bit going on in Brooklin, Oshawa and North Whitby as well.
I'm sure the developers of Seaton and Veraine in Pickering will be looking to maximize density too in their subdivisions.
LoMein
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On Aerodrome Cres? Those were built in 2005...
Undead
Senior Member
Yeah it's stacked towns in the suburbs. My mistake on the Scenic tower. I thought it was part of the same project as the townhouses. But I think the point is made lol
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LoMein
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LoMein
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I'm going to grab popcorn and maybe a plane ticket outta here when immigration hits 400k annually.
slickpete83
Active Member
lol... , CHMC should sponsor an exchange programs for people priced out of Toronto , where you buy a plane ticket to where the immigrants came from and you buy a house over there , qualify for stress test and get mortgage hahaha..
I'm going to grab popcorn and maybe a plane ticket outta here when immigration hits 400k annually.
cc46
Active Member
I think 13-15 ft wide and 3 floors over a single car garage, and front entrance is a good model. With decks front and back or on top. Fills in a lot of old stock row houses from 100-120 years ago in TO, that are due for transformation.
afransen
Senior Member
I think 20' is livable. 13-15' is very narrow with interior stairs. For small units, you're better off with stacked towns or midrise/condo apartment. I don't see much point in townhouses that aren't 2+1 or 3 bed. 1 or 2 bed should just be stacked.