The_Architect said:
The West in general is like that. They don't seem to understand that because Ontario has the highest population it gets the most amount of seats in the Senate/HOR, and that because it is the largest city it is featured the most on the news.
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While I agree with your comment, it doesn't quite explain the distain of Toronto from WITHIN Ontario. As you soon as you leave the GTA, the feeling is pretty much the same.
 
HA! Everybody's favourite subject. City vs. city. Which inevitably becomes "why do people hate Toronto?" I've debated it for hours, but the debate never seems to go anywhere. People hate anything big or successful if they aren't a part of it.

But let's move on, shall we? Let's celebrate the fact that we have a city where there's demand for a development like this one. Who would have predicted even 10 years ago that we would be seeing development like we're seeing right now? It's astounding. We're going to look back on this era as transformational for the city.

Now, if we could only do something about transit...
 
Too bad we cant have toronto's dynamism and montreal's style and transplant it all to vancouver's pretty location. Then we'd be getting somewhere. I'd still complain about the rain, though.
 
Gadfly said:
Aaaww, that's so cute, I seem to have struck a nerve :) ... and went and did the one thing you must never so -- apply a critical perspective towards Vancouver that goes beyond just regurgitating the same hype over and over and over again. A critical perspective, I might add, that Vancouver LOVES to apply to others but never to itself. Simply put, it can dish it out, but it can't take. You seem to be an excellent case in point. Even my Vancouver born and raised partner gets crucified by the locals for even suggesting the mildest criticism -- it's all fantastic, shut the fuck up! :) The group clusterfuck-think here is so boring, and therefore in my humble opinion, like no other city, in incredibly dire need of a little healthy piss-taking. Apologies, if that irritates you so.

If this place is a good fit for you, that's great. All the power you. But relax -- do we ALL have to genuflect 24/7? And empty stereotypes?? Excuse me?? my, you really have swallowed the local Kool-Aid, jug and all, haven't you? No, Vancouverites never deal in empty stereotypes, do they? God no. And dude, I live 2 minutes walk from the beaches on English Bay. Of course it's pretty. I promise I have an orgasm every time I feast my eyes upon it, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now if only the city had some grit and a pulse. But perhaps, as an obvious convert to the beyond reproach glories of Vancouver, you can do us all a favour and provide us all with some insight into that age old question -- if it's so fabulous, why are Vancouverites to transparently and conspicuously insecure?

Now off you go to the Urban Vancouver site for a little group 'tug' :)
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Gadfly, i agree with every last thing you say about Vancouver.. i lived there for 3 years in the late 90s also and it is indeed a bizarre place, with as you say, the most up tight laid back people on the planet. Try mentioning to anyone that it rains all the time (especially if they know you're a Torontonian) and they go ballistic, even though it does actually rain 340 days a year!
The first time i realized how strange the place was I was driving on what passes for a freeway there, the upper levels highway, at 9pm on a sat. night, i was the only car on the road
 
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