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It's been a couple of years now that mainstream science has been quite confident that human activity is causing climate change... this UN report is just further confirmation. It's true that the public is slowly coming on side, and that's good to see... even hard-nosed conservatives are warming up to the idea (pardon the pun). The continued "debate" reminds me of the tobacco companies in the 40s and 50s denying that cigarettes cause lung cancer.
 
This doomsday chart is nothing more than an inconsequential farce and PR fraud designed to frighten the society at large, but also amuse others such as myself. Come to think of it ss this stuff really all that different from the nonsense that's being spewed from Pat Robertson and the like? This secular enviro-frenzy and eco-facism is not really all that different in flavour from religious fanaticism if one takes a closer look.
 
blixa:

I don't recall Pat Robertson and the like having the subject themselves to the vigour of data collection, hypothesis testing, peer reviews, etc. Now, I am afraid I can't say the same about a certain subset of ideologies that insist everything is a-okay and the "market" will be the saviour of all.

AoD
 
if there were a nuke war, it wouldn't mean the end of the world.

the chart and clock just point out the obvious of what is happening in current politics. disregard for thr environment, an arms race, not good things. does it mean the end of the world? hardly. but it's still not a good thing. at best, the clock raises awareness of what's going on in the world and hopefully awareness could bring about political change.

but on the other hand, maybe we should be scared. you got bush that claims he gets instructions from jesus, chavez that thinks that jesus is the greatest socialist, the leader of iran whose horny about starting a new holocaust, kim jong ill whose stuck in 1950, etc.

there's different types of fear. fears that make the population bend over and fears that make the population aware.

the greatest weapon is the ballot box. hopefully awareness can make the best use of it.
 
There is no theory of climate, nor is there any theory of global warming, but there is plenty of fear about what those "theories" are supposed to be telling us.

To pararphrase Joseph Geobbles: tell people something often enough and loud enough and they will believe anything.

A classic case of a cause looking for a reason.
 
The continued "debate" reminds me of the tobacco companies in the 40s and 50s denying that cigarettes cause lung cancer.

Theories about cigarettes causing lung cancer? That is pure speculation based on poorly understood statistics. This is the product of people who just don't like cigarette smoke fear mongering to an unsuspecting public. Who has actually looked through the microscope at a live lung cell when smoke comes in contact with it and causes cancer? Back in the pre-electricty days people cooked on fires full of smoke but had no problems. What portion of the air a smoker breathes actually comes from a cigarette? They could have been breathing any number of things. There is no way to prove they wouldn't have gotten cancer anyways. Bah!! You people are all lemmings believing that nonsense.
 
You are drawing a false analogy between smoking, the potential for nuclear war and climate change. The issues have nothing in common, and that should be obvious. Besides, what does smoking have to do with this doomsday clock? Did they include that, too?

Interestingly, German scientists in the 1930's were among the first to indicate a strong correlation between smoking and lung cancer. Mainstream scientists outside paid no attention to that work because smoking was accepted as a normal activity. Who knows, maybe some of them ignored the evidence because of the political regime in Germany at that time. Maybe it was too much of a case of who was saying it rather than what was being said.

With respect to climate change, the debate continues because there is a debate. Period. The science that goes into the IPCC isn't settled, either. The IPCC is a panel with a specific agenda that selects evidence to support its assertions. The document it produces is not peer-reviewed. Inside it, the scientific summary is chock full of scientists stating uncertainties, pointing out where more research needs to be done, and the like. Scientific critics have argued that not only are those uncertainties important, but that other criticisms and contrary evidence are being neglected. This does not always settle too nicely among those for whom environmentalism is just a political stance free of supporting information.
 
Gelina's firing has to to do with her self-assumed role of advocacy - as in trying to state what government policy ought to be, and why. Also, she was fired by the Auditor General's office, not by the Prime Minister or anyone in the government. The opposition is just making political hay out of the this (as opposition parties will do). Gelina is also taking advantage of of the situation because she knows that the topic now has national profile.



So Midnight is just like 1978?
 
And when the sun goes down
When midnight comes around
I really come alive
At midnight!
Oh, I really come alive
(Midnight, midnight)
I got so much energy
(Midnight, midnight)
Yeah, deep inside of me, girl

:eek

terrorists have gone back in time and inserted covert instructions for sleeper cells in disco classics!
 
Black Flag dressed like the Bee Gees doing disco classics.

Truly an end of the world scene.
 

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