Adjei
Senior Member
Instead of pushing this useless tunnel he should be pushing for the high speed rail line to Windsor and one to Niagara Falls
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Instead of pushing this useless tunnel he should be pushing for the high speed rail line to Windsor and one to Niagara Falls
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Funny how quickly he can make letters available to the public when he wants to (unlike say the ministerial mandate letters).
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lenaitch
Senior Member
No kidding. Whining for federal dollars while keeping this money pit on the table.
First I've seen mention of a 'James Bay Deep Sea Port'. I wonder if there has been any preliminary work done or were they just throwing stuff at the wall in the Premier's office. I maintain there are huge logistical problems due to the hydrology in south James Bay (very shallow, much silting) similar to proposals for the mouth of the Nelson River in Manitoba. I guess they don't want Churchill to get all the attention.
lenaitch
Senior Member
There is a danger of tacking on 'high speed trains to everywhere' in terms of scope creep to the Alto project. Besides, it doesn't seem very 'nation building'.
rbt
Senior Member
The concept of a seaport north of Moosonee has been around for decades within the Federation of Northern Ontario Municipalities. A connection beyond the 4x weekly railway service would be useful to them. I would have argued for a seasonal roadway though.
AFAIK, zero study has been done on it.
Fords interest is related to the adjacent Ring of Fire and exporting raw minerals. Ontario should be trying to export refined minerals, if not goods manufactured from them.
EDIT: Interestingly, there is a study to make most of James Bay near the Ring of Fire into a Marine Conservation Area. Many of the stakeholders of this study are also members of FONOM.
Western Weeneebeg (James Bay) and southwestern Washaybeyoh (Hudson Bay): proposed national marine conservation area (NMCA)
Information on the proposed National Marine Conservation Area in western Weeneebeg (James Bay) and southwestern Washabeyoh (Hudson Bay).
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rdaner
Senior Member
The rail service is being restored to James Bay next year and the Province is building a new health campus to serve a gigantic region so a new port may be the next right step combined with a big airport upgrade.
As an aside I have read that though the Arctic is warming it is only beneficial for shipping on the eastern end whereas the western Arctic Ocean is becoming less navigable due to an increase in ice.
As an aside I have read that though the Arctic is warming it is only beneficial for shipping on the eastern end whereas the western Arctic Ocean is becoming less navigable due to an increase in ice.
nfitz
Superstar
I must have missed that - when did they stop?
I thought there were still two freight trains a week.
It's a significantly under-used resource though in terms of shipping; but perhaps more efficient to ship to Quebec City by the time you get that far north.
lenaitch
Senior Member
Are you confusing James Bay and Hudson's Bay? Rail to (near) James Bay at Moosonee has been uninterrupted. Service on the Hudson's Bay RR was suspended to allow major track upgrades but I don't know any details.
If you are talking about the new health centre in Moosonee/Moose Factory - Weeneebayco Health Authority - it is a replacement for the current 'zone hospital'. Previously, the federal government operated 'zone hospitals' to support satellite nursing stations on FNTs. I'm not familiar with the existing one at Moose Factory but if it is anything like the one in Sioux Lookout that I am familiar with, it was likely pretty dated. It seems the feds and province were finally able to come to an agreement so the one facility can serve non-FN communities like Moosonee. In Sioux Lookout, a town of about 3500, we had two hospitals; one provincial and one federal.
I'll betcha the concept of exporting raw minerals would come as a complete surprise to the folks who own the mineral rights as well. Although ownership has moved around a bit, everything has hinged on a refinery somewhere in Ontario. Exporting raw product makes no sense.The concept of a seaport north of Moosonee has been around for decades within the Federation of Northern Ontario Municipalities. A connection beyond the 4x weekly railway service would be useful to them. I would have argued for a seasonal roadway though.
AFAIK, zero study has been done on it.
Fords interest is related to the adjacent Ring of Fire and exporting raw minerals. Ontario should be trying to export refined minerals, if not goods manufactured from them.
EDIT: Interestingly, there is a study to make most of James Bay near the Ring of Fire into a Marine Conservation Area. Many of the stakeholders of this study are also members of FONOM.
Western Weeneebeg (James Bay) and southwestern Washaybeyoh (Hudson Bay): proposed national marine conservation area (NMCA)
Information on the proposed National Marine Conservation Area in western Weeneebeg (James Bay) and southwestern Washabeyoh (Hudson Bay).parks.canada.ca
nfitz
Superstar
I thought that done a while ago.
Looking at https://asm.transitdocs.com/ train 693 is currently past Thompson and should be in Churchill by 9 AM tomorrow.
crs1026
Superstar
Interesting quote from the Budget document.... but, considering the announcement only commits to study, it doesn't suggest that Ford's government has any more insight than UT does. Maybe they are lurking.
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Metroscapes
Active Member
I think it's heaping a lot of hope of the feds finally coming to the table.
Krypto98
Active Member
I don't think this is feasible, the CN halton sub is already at 0.8 -1.0 % grade going from the humber in both directions. The CPKC alignment would be way greater than 2% there
afransen
Senior Member
Nice to know that this is vapourware.
just east of the creek
Senior Member
The Health Facility in Moosonee is quite dated, does quite a job with the resources they have, and deserves to be brought to current Ontario standards.
lenaitch
Senior Member
The old one was built in 1950, which sort of mirrors the one we had in Sioux Lookout which origin goes back to 1949.
(Moose Factory)