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Globe and Mail Article

The looming Conservative-separatist-socialist coalition
Andrew Steele, today at 12:49 PM EDT

A few days ago, I wrote about the potential for the NDP to support the Conservatives in the face of potential losses to a resurgent Liberal Party.

That shift made it exceedingly difficult to see how the Grits would engineer a fall election, as Jack Layton's campaign director was testing the waters for voting to sustain the Conservatives in power.

Today, the chances of a fall election fell further, and are now much closer to zero than 50 per cent.

The reason is the latest CROP poll from Quebec:

LPC - 37
BQ - 31
Cons - 15
NDP -12

For the first time since the Gomery inquiry, the Liberals are leading in Quebec, and by a healthy margin.

The Bloc is not quite in the position of the NDP, which stands to lose as many as half its seats were an election called today.

Gilles Duceppe can probably count on winning the lion's share of the ten Conservative seats that Stephen Harper immolated with his “separatist†rhetoric and general anti-Quebec disposition in the coalition crisis. He can also count on the routine super-majorities Liberals rack up in the West Island of Montreal to dilute the new Grit lead and leave a large number of seats within reach.

But certainly the BQ is far less enthusiastic for an election than they were a few days ago. Caucus members - who put their seats at risk in any election - are notoriously unsupportive of defeating the government, and this poll will only exacerbate that trend.

As a result, it is entirely possible the Liberals will be unable to engineer an election anytime in the spring or fall. If that's the case, we won't see an election until a time of the Harper government's choosing, with current thinking landing at after the Vancouver Olympics in 2010.

The reason is the current composition of the House of Commons. The Conservatives only need one of the three opposition parties to abstain - let alone vote with the government - to sustain confidence, ensure supply or pass bills.

For the Bloc, who are quite open about their willingness to vote in any way that furthers Quebec's interests, open or tacit support of the Conservatives is relatively easy. As a party whose aim is to withdraw from Canada, withdrawing from voting in the Canadian parliament is hardly a difficult sell to the membership.

For the NDP, which spent the last three years vilifying any votes by Liberals that sustained the government as ideological treason, voting with the Conservatives will be a more damaging decision.

There is a theory that the first time the NDP votes with the Conservatives, there will be a heavy price. But the price of further votes is built into it, and by the time a year or more passes, outrage and any electoral penalty for voting with the Conservatives will have evaporated.

However, the NDP leadership would certainly prefer to avoid testing that scenario, especially given Jack Layton's wobbly place at the top of the party. Dawn Black, who represented the NDP in the coalition negotiations with the Liberals, has left to run provincially in BC, taking away one of Layton's key allies and a defender of how he handled himself in that crisis.

Chantal Hebert writes today about the rabid opposition of the NDP grassroots to any preservation of the government by Layton, and that the cost of such support would potentially be his job.

But with the Bloc now as fearful of an election against Ignatieff as the NDP and the Conservatives, the electoral math changes again.

There is an understanding among the NDP and Conservative leadership that pantomime spats between them actually help both parties beat Liberals.

Harper must recognize that forcing the NDP to sustain his government is self-defeating; a divided NDP will allow the Liberals to consolidate more centre-left votes and potentially defeat Conservative incumbents in Ontario and the Maritimes. The Lower Mainland of B.C. is one of the few places where the NDP and Conservatives go head-to-head, but even there the Liberals remain a threat to come up the middle if the NDP vote falters.

Instead, the Conservatives can help maintain a healthy NDP protest vote (and a split on the centre-left) by finding ways to get the Bloc to abstain.

Abstentions by the BQ cost Duceppe's party nothing, allow the NDP to maintain its symbolic opposition to the Conservatives and keep the Conservatives in power, while freeing all three of those parties from losing seats against a resurgent Liberal Party in a sudden election.

The fact is that the renewed vigour of the Liberals has created a new majority coalition in the House of Commons: a Conservative-Separatist-Socialist coalition that will almost definitely secretly conspire to keep themselves in office for another year.

Mere months after decrying the Liberal-Separatist-Socialist Coalition, it's impossible for any of the three coalition party leaders to admit their implied understanding.

But the joy of Parliament is that every vote is public.

And over the next year, if conditions maintain themselves, we will see countless times when the government is sustained through the tacit or explicit support of one or both of the BQ or NDP, thanks to either abstention or sustaining votes.
 
I'd disagree that propping up the Conservatives costs the BQ nothing. In fact, that is insane, and the Liberals will hammer them for it.
 
Both the NDP and the BQ would lose a TON of support if they voted with the CPC. It'd be political suicide.

Sure, a fall election would likely result in both the NDP and the Bloc losing seats to the Libs, but pissing off their base by working to delay that election by implicitly supporting the Cons would cost them both far more in the long-run. I just don't see it happening.

I kind of think this "NDP or Bloc might prop up the government!" stuff we're hearing lately is little more than CPC wish-making. They know Harper's probably toast if an election is called - they're trying to plant these seeds as a last-ditch effort to keep the house.
 
I can't wait to see Harper explain to the electorate how the October Coalition with the separatist is anti-democratic and yet governing with the tacit support of the BQ is legitimate. Bring out the spin doctors - he will definitely need them. And quite frankly, NDP cooperating with the Cons is probably long-term political suicide. Hate to say it Jack, but you can probably kiss your butt goodbye going down that road - and it's not like the original coalition that brought down the Martin government (another example of a principled Conservative party on the issue of dealing with the separatists) was mightily popular either, in the final analysis.

Another example of "strong leadership" brought to you by Harper et al.

AoD
 
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I'd disagree that propping up the Conservatives costs the BQ nothing. In fact, that is insane, and the Liberals will hammer them for it.

How many people really notice when you abstain though? I am not poli sci major but I kinda see the point of the article's author. For the Bloc the Liberals have been their arch-enemies. To have them rise from the recent dead to a point where they will cut the Bloc in half is a pretty big threat. I don't know how many party leaders could swallow that easily.
 
How many people really notice when you abstain though? I am not poli sci major but I kinda see the point of the article's author. For the Bloc the Liberals have been their arch-enemies. To have them rise from the recent dead to a point where they will cut the Bloc in half is a pretty big threat. I don't know how many party leaders could swallow that easily.

The Liberals will make people notice. They will make it very clear that what stands between Stephen Harper and his turfing is the BQ. All the other parties made it very well known that Dion was capitulating when he had the opportunity to bring down the government. For sure, the BQ is between a rock and a hard place in deciding whether to prop up the government. The real question should be whether the BQ has anything to gain in delaying. If the CPC manage to recover in Quebec, they may be able to sop up the soft nationalist vote, further harming the BQ's position.
 
Both the NDP and the BQ would lose a TON of support if they voted with the CPC. It'd be political suicide.

Sure, a fall election would likely result in both the NDP and the Bloc losing seats to the Libs, but pissing off their base by working to delay that election by implicitly supporting the Cons would cost them both far more in the long-run. I just don't see it happening.

I kind of think this "NDP or Bloc might prop up the government!" stuff we're hearing lately is little more than CPC wish-making. They know Harper's probably toast if an election is called - they're trying to plant these seeds as a last-ditch effort to keep the house.

Agreed, doesn't make sense for them to support the Conservatives. The op/ed piece glosses over a lot of facts.
 
There's no question the Liberal rise leaves the NDP and Bloc caught between a rock and a hard place. I am not so sure as some of the you here that there is no merit to this article.

All political parties seek to have power and influence. That's how they get to implement their agendas. If there's a possibility that the Liberals might end up in a majority that would be disastrous for the the NDP. And a Liberal minority would be disastrous for the Bloc. I doubt they would flat out support the Conservatives. But that does not mean that they won't keep off that election for a while.

Another wrench in the plans I think is the economy. The lower the economy sinks the better the Liberals will do. That is also bound to complicate the calculations a bit.
 
No matter what happens, the next election will be a battle of survival between the Liberals and the Tories.


I think what we can perdict is...

-Tories lose most seats in Quebec and some in Ontario
-Liberals gain most of those seats and jump back to around 95-105 seats
-NDP collapse as we finally see how useless and pointless they are.
 
^ I wouldn't count the NDP out yet. Though they might be in danger of losing official party status.
 
NDP will still end up with 15-20 seats, but we have seen, whenever the liberals do well, the NDP are done...
 
The NDP should really just start pushing really hard for Proportional Representation federally -- it's really their only shot at ever breaking through in any kind of meaningful way. Under First-Past-The-Post, we're just doomed to this cycle where the Liberals obtain power, screw up, left-leaning people shift their votes to the NDP to 'punish' the Libs, the CPC gets power, people shift back to the Libs to turf the CPC, and the cycle begins anew.

The NDP also needs to define themselves more strongly -- are they the party of the blue collar union worker? The party of the environment? A social welfare party? The party of Cities? They need to tell us.
 
PUBLICATION: National Post
DATE: 2009.05.01
EDITION: National
SECTION: Editorial
PAGE: A12
BYLINE: John Duffy
SOURCE: National Post
WORD COUNT: 871

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Choices, consequences

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In the nine fevered days between the announcement last Dec. 1 of the coalition project and the de facto accession of Michael Ignatieff to the Liberal leadership on Dec. 10, the Grits made several critical choices. The personal consequences for the protagonists were immediately clear. Stephane Dion was retired. Dominic Leblanc moved up. Bob Rae's dignified exit cemented his place at the core of the party. The title decision went to Michael Ignatieff. All of these changes will be ratified in Vancouver tomorrow afternoon, but essentially as a political afterthought.

Other decisions have taken a little longer to play out, but are now clarifying. The critical strategic question for Liberals during those tumultuous days was whether to pursue or abandon the coalition project. Staying the course offered an immediate, if tenuous (and to some, thoroughly distasteful) opportunity to oust the Harper government and take power with the co-operation of others. The alternative route, which was chosen, was to strike out on a more unilateral course, with the hope of facing Harper in a campaign at a time of greater Liberal strength.

Since then, the Liberals have met with initial success. Mr. Ignatieff has introduced himself effectively to Canadians as a steady, confident, unifying figure. The party is united. Progress is being made on organization, finances and information technology. These factors, plus the all-important association between the Harper Conservatives and the economic situation, have brought the Liberals' standing in public opinion to levels barely touched since the initial, hopeful weeks of the 2005/2006 election campaign. So far so good.

But as the chance of victory has brightened, it has also receded. Ditching the coalition has made the prospect of thoroughgoing Liberal victory more likely, but more distant as well. Why? Because without the concurrence of the NDP and Bloc Quebecois, the Liberals cannot force an election. So long as the three opposition parties could benefit from Harper's demise, as they did last fall, co-operation was possible. But now, with the Liberals growing steadily stronger and the other two parties weakening, equilibrium is gone and with it, talk of an early election.

First off the bandwagon was the NDP, with Jack Layton's April 21 announcement that defeating the government would not occur this spring. Many observers linked the statement to the NDP's slide in the polls. This week, a survey showed the Liberals ahead of the BQ in Quebec for the first time since the sponsorship scandal broke in 2004; the next day came the overture from the Bloc to the Conservatives for co-operation on economic issues. Talk of a 2009 election has been silenced in Ottawa, 2010 is the new target date and some have begun speculating on an indefinite run for Mr. Harper in power.

Conventioneering Grits in Vancouver thus find themselves with wind in their sails -- but a good deal longer a voyage ahead of them. For all that, the prize has certainly grown more valuable. If indeed the political breezes in Quebec are undergoing a sea change once again, the prospect of a national government broadly in tune with the progressive majority of Canadians becomes a real possibility. Such a government would be fairly stable, giving continuity to national governance, which has been sorely lacking for the best part of a decade.

Since the point sometime in 2001 -- eight years ago, now-- when Mr. Chretien's leadership went into play, no Canadian prime minister has been able to scan the political horizon without facing immediate, life-threatening hazards such as forced retirement (2002), a leadership contest (2003), an election (2004, 2006, 2008) or the prospect of sudden defeat in the Commons (a constant since June, 2004).

This sort of chronic instability forces governments into managing many pressing public policy issues on a defensive basis. Indeed, some files are barely touched at all, out of fear they are just too hot to handle in a minority. Larger-scale initiatives -- think of the Charter, or the Free Trade Agreement or, say, a national approach to climate change -- cannot be seriously contemplated, let alone delivered, no matter how urgent they may be.

It's been five years since we've had a majority government in Ottawa and 16 since the Bloc Quebecois began working to make national governance an oxymoron in Canada. How many major initiatives have been made and stayed in place to take root? How many national challenges have been fully addressed? Few, if any at all. Liberals may have traded away the chance to relieve Mr. Harper of power quickly, but if the reward is a stable, progressive government on a truly national footing that can undertake major, lasting beneficial policy projects, the wait may well prove worthwhile. - Liberal John Duffy is author of Fights of Our Lives: Elections, Leadership and the Making of Canada (2002).
 
NDP will still end up with 15-20 seats, but we have seen, whenever the liberals do well, the NDP are done...

Hard to tell this time--mostly because Iggy's a different kind of leader; I can actually see his more critical gains in "Mulroney PC" strongholds like Oakville and Burlington, while the old "Liberal Labour" now-NDP bastions like Hamilton and Windsor might prove surprisingly harder to crack...
 
There were some rather close NDP-Liberal seats and no doubt their seat total will fall.


Last time it was a 3-way match (okay more like two jokers and a Bully)


Now its a showdown between two real politicians. (I mean real, as not making you laugh when you look at their face :D)
 

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